The Partisan Divide

I hear the terms ‘center-right,’ and ‘center-left’ often.  Without settling the argument of which describes America’s populace, let’s say the common denominator is ‘center.’  Are most Americans political philosophies at the center?  It would seem not!  It would seem Americans are ready for their Party to be truly conservative or liberal — none of this middle of the road stuff.

Are we moving toward an even greater divide?  If we acknowledge the gridlock now and elect members of Congress who are more conservative and / or liberal will less be accomplished?

What did the results of the contests yesterday tell you?

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35 responses to “The Partisan Divide

  1. One thing I noted in the contest between Specter and Sestak is that bush the lesser is still an effective weapon! Americans (at least those on the left) do have functioning memory banks. The Republicans have proven they have amnesia (or are willfully ignorant) when they try to convince anyone that all of America’s woes began Jan. 20, 2009.

    I am personally tickled pink to see Specter gone! The way he grilled Anita Hill during the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings lost any respect I may have had for that man. I am very pleased that we now have a Democrat in that contest! Specter was never a member of the Democratic Party!

    • Specter reminds me of nic switchers! There is no trusting someone who can’t even stand up to who they are and feels they need to remake themselves. First thing they do is come out with declarations of how new they are, they have NO pasts… Do they expect everyone else to be as stupid as they are and not notice? True change brings your past along and shows that you’ve learned lessons from it.

  2. Most of the news accounts are calling the results of yesterday’s contests indications of the voter anti incumbent mood.

    But being anti incumbent doesn’t change our political philosophy. If we’re democrats we aren’t gonna want to change to a republican, and neither are the anti incumbent republicans going to change to democrats.

    I think those news stories aren’t getting the part about how disappointed we are that they’re all alike, that republicans and democrats alike have sold out to special interests. Voters want representation that clearly represents our values, not those of BIG BUSINESS.

    For instance, democrats want health-care reform that benefits people, not health insurance companies! Evidently republicans want to continue to benefit bankers and insurance companies, but to a greater extent. I hear them talk against earmarks but I never hear them talk against corporate interests who have bought their representatives votes. (shrugs shoulders and wonders what they use for brains)

  3. When we hear, “Take our country back“, there is no doubt the ‘conservatives’ want to take America back — to around 1700.

    Progressives want to take America forward!

    • indypendent

      What is even funnier is to hear Sarah Palin and her supporters be the first ones to chant about going back to the Constitution.

      I wonder if Ms Northern Lights and her women worshippers have even thought that women were not even considered a person when the Constitution was written? Women were little more than property.

      On second thought – if that would keep Sarah off the stage and keep her big mouth at home…….

      Nahh, it is not worth even that to go back to those good old days.

    • Ditto. Without progressives, both Republican and Democrat, blacks would still not be allowed to vote, be sitting on the back of buses and standing at the back of restaurants asking for a meal; women wouldn’t be allowed to own property and Roe v Wade would never have happened.

    • I find it particularly amusing to hear the son of a multi millionaire talk about “us” “taking our country back” from “them.”

      Who is US?

      Taking WHOSE country back”

      Who is THEM?

      The way I see it, our country is being run by large corporations and groups that back them and leach off of them and support them, in back-room, pay-for-play dealings with politicians that are supposed to be representing the best interests of individual citizens, their rights, their economic interests and their safety.

      So, Mr. Son of a Millionaire, are YOU one of US–the citizenry? How is it that you are not one of THEM–the corporate interests and wealthy elite that have hijacked our government to suit their own interests and financial bottom line?

      Or are the corporate interests here to wrench the last pretense of power from the people of this country??

      What a joke.

      • indypendent

        As usual, you make some excellent points.

        The intense corporatization of America has brought us alot of our problems. Like I’ve said before – I don’t hate all corporations but when our country is giving corporations all the tax benefits and outright subsidies without getting anything in return from these corporations (such as the promise to keep good-paying American jobs here); then we are just asking to get taken down that candy lane to ride our purple unicorn.

        Life is best when it is balanced. Labor and Corporate management need to learn to work together or the entire thing is going to go down the drain.

  4. Joe Sestak, a former Vice Admiral in the Navy, is an interesting man. He may have a great future with the Democratic Party. I need to do a bit more research on him, but he seems the genuine article!

    • indypendent

      I heard Chris Matthews last night say something to the effect that Joe Sestak was not a particularly warm personality. Sestak is very knowledgable but he is not considered a charismatic person.

      pardon me, but when was Arlen Specter a warm personality or charismatic?

      I must have missed that memo?

      • indypendent

        Also – it was brought out last night by Mathews, Keith Olbermann or Ed Schultz that Sestak is very liberal.

        They were saying that Obama needs to pick up on that clue and to stop trying to play nice with the Republicans and go further left where his real base is.

  5. indypendent

    I was watching a documentary on the History Channel last month. It was about the Founding Fathers and the time of the Revolution.

    The men who were wanting to declare our independence from England were the ones that were called ‘Progressives’. Those men that wanted to keep the status quo were called ‘Conservatives’.

    This puts a new light on current situations, doesn’t it?

  6. Yes, Indy, it definitely does!

    It will be interesting to see how Republicans vote on financial reforms. Will they ignore the lesson they should learn from yesterday’s elections and continue to be for Wall Street? Is it possible they can say anything beyond, “No” (that is other than adding ‘hell’ to the beginning)?

  7. G-STIR

    If you want some fun, go to the WEB and say something to the effect that liberals founded this country. Then , find a foxhole and wait for the response!

    • They have amnesia. Can’t ‘member squat! Or they turn ‘events’ into what they would rather remember. 😉

    • indypendent

      I think I finally figured out why so many Conservative Republicans believe in home schooling.

      That way, they can rewrite history to their liking and there is no dissent – so end of discussion!

    • indypendent

      These folks also believe all the Founding Fathers were Christians. Try telling the WEBcons that alot of them were Deists and see how much fire and brimstone fall down on your head.

      But, to be fair, most of the WEBcons would have to look up the definition of Deists in the dictionary. LOL

  8. Did anyone notice the democrats turn out in yesterday’s elections? I was happy to see that democrats didn’t ‘sit this one out’ as had been predicted by some.

    Many observers looked to Paul’s victory as a showcase of Tea Party strength in elections, but it’s clear that Kentucky Democrats are no slouches either: an astounding 520,412 Democrats voted, versus only 351,927 Republicans—a performance that compared favorably with the party’s showing in 2006, a good Democratic year.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-05-19/liberals-emerge-as-big-winners-from-tuesdays-primaries/?cid=hp:mainpromo2

    • The media so bad wants to watch the Democrats fall because they over-hyped what it meant when the Democrats “won” two elections in a row. As if this were some sort of a horse race. They LOVE to simplify things.

      People are FED UP. That’s why they voted for Obama and voted for Democratic Senators in Congressmen in 2008. They voted and hoped that some change would take place. But it didn’t. So what recourse is left? We just keep voting the bums out. That is what happened yesterday.

      If the media actually had their finger on the pulse of anything, they would be looking very closely at two groups that get little play–DFA and The Coffee Party. So far as I can see, neither of these groups is beholden to a political party (though members may have some philosophical leanings toward the Dems) and they are working for change OUTSIDE of the system. The Coffee Party is reaching out to the Tea Party in a savvy attempt to pull in those that want change and are beginning to get fed up by those in the Tea Party that are being lead by the nose by the RNC.

      • indypendent

        DFA? I am not familiar with them.

        I have done some researching of the Coffee Party and so far, I like what I hear.

        But I am choosing to wait and see if they get hijacked like the Tea Party Set allowed themselves to be hitched to some power ex-Republicans and their money.

    • Here’s another one. Many of us here remember a blogger on a different blog who used “CF” as his nic, and he recently introduced me to Act Blue — a clearinghouse for Democratic Action.

      Take a look at their website —

      http://www.actblue.com/page/messagetodemocrats

  9. indypendent

    As for the race between Sestak and Specter – was anyone really surprised that Specter lost – I wasn’t.

    But in all the races yesterday, the only Tea Bagger that won was Rand Paul – or did I miss something?

    And as someone pointed out a few days ago, if Rand Paul is anything like his father, any Tea Bagger will not be happy with the results they get from him if he does follow his basic libertarian beliefs.

  10. indypendent

    As for the Sestak and Specter race – one cannot really say it was to throw out the incumbent because Sestak is currently a Congressman, isn’t he?

    And for the Pennsylvania race for Murtha’s seat – that was won by the aide to Murtha – so that’s pretty close to keeping the incumbent.

  11. indypendent

    ‘If you want some fun, go to the WEB and say something to the effect that liberals founded this country. Then , find a foxhole and wait for the response!’

    The surest way to get a CON Republican fuming is to say something against St. Ronald Reagan. That will do it each and every time.

    I saw one trying to justify Reagan’s giving weapons to Iran as the regimes have changed since then.

    WTF? Reagan dealt with Radical Muslims and had no problem giving them weapons. But yet Teflon Ronnie is still a golden god they worship.

    I hear new Republicans get rose-colored Reagan glasses when they throw in an extra $100 bucks.

  12. Tea partiers aren’t going to vote for anyone but Republicans! They can talk the good talk, but they’re owned by the Republican Party and they’ll never be able to walk the walk! Elections are still in the hands of the mushy middle.

    Ya know what? When ‘things’ are going OK the mushy middle doesn’t turn out to vote in large numbers. They don’t really pay that much attention and mostly only make time for politics when they perceive ‘things’ aren’t going well. Otherwise they’ve got their own interests and mainly don’t even want to hear about politics.

    With economic recovery marching on, I expect this fall won’t be what many Republicans hope it will be. Oh, they’ll pick up a few seats as is always the case in mid-term elections, but there won’t be any reason to expect the massive change-up they hope for and predict.

    • indypendent

      I suspect you’re right. Mid term elections are historically given to the minority party picking up seats.

      This is only May and there are lot of days left for the Tea Baggers, Palin, Rush, Hannity, Billo, Beck and any other Republican to make some idiotic statement or claim to further alienate those in the middle.

      Why would any Independent or moderate want to join the GOP when they are giving litmus tests and wanting loyalty pledges signed?

      These folks are as inviting as a rattlesnake.

    • If they vote against financial reform do you think that will look good to moderates?

      • indypendent

        I guess it depends on how they ‘spin’ it. Sometimes it takes a day or two to figure out exactly what they said and what they really did.

        But I trust the Independent and moderates are smarter than these so-called ‘real’ GOPPERS give them credit for being.

  13. G-STIR

    I have no problem with 86ing the incumbents, but if the special interest groups get their hooks into the incoming election winners, you have “new incumbents”.

    I’d like to see an organization of some sort that would tell the newly elected: ” Hey- you work for us; we sign sign your paychecks. If you want to get cozy with the special interest groups, don’t bother unpacking– you’re a one-term wonder. And then follow through and hold their feet to the fire!

    IMHO

    • indypendent

      I do not like seeing politicians who have been in office for 20, 30 or 40 years. There is something inherently wrong with that – IMHO.

      And that goes for both sides of the aisle!

  14. indypendent

    What I think will be a major factor in the November election is that ‘October surprise’.

    The Party of NO is so full of venom, that I would not put anything past them to bring Obama down.

  15. It would be a good thing if voters saw John McCain in the same light as Arlen Specter. Both men made getting reelected their highest priority job.

    • indypendent

      Well, Arlen just told the GOP to jump in a lake but McCain is still trying to use the Grand Old Poopers for whatever traction he can get out of them.

      It’s sad, really. Politics in this country has gone downhill and it seems to be sinking further as we blog.

  16. I just listened to Sestak on Rachel Maddow’s show. It sounds to me like he plans to run against bush the lesser.

    • I don’t think that’s a winning strategy. Maybe I didn’t understand what he said — like many politicians he spoke in circles.