Tuesday, 4/27/10, Public Square


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20 responses to “Tuesday, 4/27/10, Public Square

  1. This is a thought-provoking blog. Sometimes it helps to look at things a different way. I only wish that it was possible for many of the folks that engage in the behaviors discussed in the blog to open their mind long enough to consider this.


  2. And here is something else to think about and comment on today:


    Apparently, there is a club for kids under 21 opening in Odessa, Mo. Initially the public welcomed the idea. However, it has become known that the proprietor has Aryan Nation ties. The above link provides a very interesting look at the goal of this club from the proprietor himself.

    • When I was reading about this club that is being opened by a “former” leader of the Aryan Nation, I thought maybe all of the racial hatred that we are seeing on television and is being pumped up at Tea Party rallies and through other conservative organizations is encouraging the Aryan Nation to start a major recruitment drive in the KC metropolitan area. Maybe all the racism we are seeing is emboldening these types of groups to become more visible.

      Then I read this blog. I am certain that I would not be able to have a very long conversation with the writer of this blog without major differences cropping up, but it is encouraging to see that there ARE some conservatives with which we can side on SOME issues, this being one of them. Check it out:


  3. indypendent

    I read through the article about the Black Flag history but I don’t see how that is to relate to kids under 21 yrs of age?

    While I am a strong advocate of teaching history, I want all the history taught – not just those of some group of outlaws that are now being portrayed as heroes.

    I do have a few questions – is this Black Flag Club going to be non-profit? Who is bankrolling them?

    And exactly what is meant by ‘hanging out’ ? Most kids of that age group should be either in school or working.

    Am I surprised by seeing this group popping up – No.

    Am I suprised we are seeing more of this now that we have the first black president – No.

    But what bothers me is this notion that self-righteous outlaws are now going to the heroes that are put on the pedestal to worship? And the target age of this group is really troubling to me – they are wanting kids that are at a very impressionable age.

    • That is troubling to the people of Odessa, too, apparently. They were showing clips of people screaming and crying at the Aldermen’s meeting last night. Parents are pretty upset that this club is being allowed to operate there.

      I am a proponent of giving kids a place to congregate; we all had one or two hangouts when we were growing up. I don’t think there is anything wrong with a teenage dance club. But this place apparently is being set up as a recruitment center for the Aryan Nation. That is more than upsetting; it’s outrageous.

      I work with someone who lives in that small town. We discussed the fact that if nobody goes there, the place will have to close. But that is only if the Aryan Nation is not bankrolling them. And this guy is already putting the place on Facebook and MySpace. The kids don’t know anything about his ulterior motives; they just see an underage dance club opening up. If they figure it out and don’t go, will he draw enough business from surrounding communities that ARE sympathetic to his views on “northern agression” to keep him in business?

      • indypendent

        Is this group a non-profit?

        Now that would be upsetting to me to think they are getting their recruitment numbers up at taxpayers’ expense.

        But, some churches I know would probably welcome them into the fold because they have the same ultimate goal.

  4. indypendent

    Has anyone been following the uproar about Franklin Graham Jr being disinvited to speak at the Pentagon’s National Day of Prayer service because of his anti-Islam statements?

    I heard where Obama went to visit the elder Franklin Graham when he was in North Carolina.

    I don’t know about you, but I don’t care much for the younger Franklin Graham. I think this man is in the family business for just that – the business end of it. In other words – money.

    Franklin Graham Jr was present when Obama spoke with the elder Graham. He then asked Obama if he knew about his being disinvited to the Pentagon and Obama told him that he would look into it.

    Now, if I remember correctly – the younger Graham said he would stop doing the precedent that his father started by being available to be spiritual adviser/friend to the president. But wasn’t the timing just a little suspicious when it was Obama who happened to the the president?

    But now Graham Jr wants Obama’s help?

    I liked the elder Franklin Graham. I may not have agreed with his religious fervor but I never knew of the elder Graham to allow himself to become politicized.

    But, sad to say, his son has not seen fit to follow in his footsteps in that area of his life. But the son sure knows how to bring in that money, doesn’t he?

  5. tosmarttobegop

    It has not been much of a good day for me or my wife it seems, I went to take some tests for a job.

    It is through a temp service and there is the possibility of a real company job within a few months.

    I took the first test and was told I had failed it, only getting 14 out of 25 answers right and you had to get 15 right. I felt like I was hit in the gut as I was 100 percent sure of my answers except for two.

    After being told I did not get the job, another guy and I talked outside the building.

    He asked me what they had told me?

    After I told him I add that I could not figure out how I failed.

    He then told me he is a third class engineer and he could not believe he failed too.

    Then he got a odd look on his face and asked me how old I am?

    After I told him he said that he is 49 and is it not odd that it was everyone about our age that were the ones who failed the test?

    At first I did not think much about it, then after an hour I realized that he was right!

    It was everyone above 45 who had failed all in all this was not a hard test and for the most part was like a open book test?

    Since I was not going to get to take the second test I made it back in time to go talk to my wife at lunch.

    But she asked that I not come up as it was a crappy day and something seemed in the air at where she works? But no details just she would talk to me after she gets off.

    It has been a concern for me, with the pool of the younger workers and the number of older workers being laid-off. Companies can be more picky and see a profit in hiring the younger over the older workers.

    • indypendent

      One good thing you’ve got going for you is that your wife is a woman; so maybe her company will keep the women as opposed to the men? After all, women do make 77 cents on the dollar as compared to men.

      I know that sounds crappy and it is not right to do to people – but in today’s job market – I would not surprised at anything some of these companies would do.

      It’s not exactly an employee’s market right now. There are too many people looking for work and not enough jobs.

      As I sat and listened to some of the testimony today on Capitol Hill by the Goldman Sachs POS, I just wanted to scream.

      Just think – with all the money we taxpayers have given to companies like this – we could have formed enough companies for everyone to have a job.

      I wonder why we did not do that? Why was all the money given to the ‘too big to fail’ banks? And then they turned around and bought other banks with that money or gave huge bonuses to their management people who drove their companies into the ground in the first place!

      I know life is never fair – but dammit, I am mad about this.

      And then Republicans have the nerve to vote to block financial reform debate and then prance around like some show pony with a big blue ribbon that they, and only they, are the party that is really against those big banks.

      What a load of B.S.

  6. tosmarttobegop

    Though there are several reasons for the gender make-up at Wal-Mart.
    It is often a extra family money employment, the second income and the work outside the home.

    But over 70% of all associates are female and that is because as was said.
    Women often work for less pay, do not insist on raises or more then what is offered in a raise.
    Also that women often work harder and put up with more crap then their male counter-parts.

    Sadly, because of the tendency there seem a over amount of single parents work for Wal-Mart.
    Single mother who this is their sole means of support for themselves and children.
    But the Company does not make a difference for these women who are the head of the family.
    Wages are low, hours are long and benefits tend to be in the company’s favor.

    In one incident a member of management actually advised a single mother that she would be better off quitting her job and going on welfare instead of working full time at Wal-Mart.

    • indypendent

      Sad to say, that advice was not too far from wrong if you only think in economic terms.

      But as I’ve tried to teach my own kids (they are grown now) that working brings more than just a paycheck. It makes you feel good about yourself that you’re able to take care of yourself and you’re independent.

      And it makes me mad to think we have such high unemployment right now and alot of those people are just wanting to work because it is the right thing to do.

      And then to see some POS Goldman Sachs guy sitting there sneering like he is the victim – just makes me want to gag.

      • indypendent

        And then I want to gag twice when I see Mitch McConnell and his fellow Republicans voting to block debate over financial reform and somehow try to pass this off as the patriotic thing to do.

        What a line of B.S.

        Mitch and Gang are just watching out for their real target – all that lovely money from Wall Street so they can Waterloo Obama.

  7. indypendent

    toosmart – did you ever work for Walmart when Sam Walton was alive? If not, do you know of anyone that did?

    I am just curious if Walmart was this same way when Sam was running the company. I thought Walmart changed when Sam’s kids took it over and the focus was all about bottom line profit and crushing any other competitor.

    Maybe I’m wrong ?

  8. 6176746f6c6c65

    I know a couple of folks who worked for Walmart during Sam Walton’s last years and for a while after. Yes, things changed; but they blame it more on the company going public than on the kids alone.

    • indypendent

      Why did the company go public? Whose decision was that?

      • indypendent

        Guess it doesn’t matter why or whose decision. I’m sure there was alot of money at stake.

        And usually when there is alot of money involved, doing the right thing does not figure in as a profit maker, huh?

      • Actually, the company went public in the early 1980s, but so long as Sam Walton held control (he died in 1992 or so), the company held to its “made in America” roots. When my acquaintances speak of “going public”, I think they are referring to the post mortem period when the stock holdings of the decedent were transferred through probate to the family, which diluted the control. Combine that with the pressures of being a public company (constant threats of derivative actions, etc.), it is easy to see why Wal-Mart took the path it chose, a path, I believe, that Mr. Walton had resisted for a decade or more.

        It is indeed unfortunate the effect of a Wal-Mart store’s opening on the “Mom and Pop” stores. In part, that’s due to the necessary savings afforded by economies of scale. At best, that is; there’s also the “monopoly” argument there, too.

  9. indypendent

    That is one thing I don’t understand about Republicans holding up Walmart as the gold standard how to do business.

    Yes, they are successful but they also almost always crush their competitors when they come into a town. Before Walmart, there were alot of little independent stores – especially grocery stores.

    And I thought Republicans were all about free trade and competition?

    Maybe I am wrong in that thinking too?

  10. indypendent

    Interesting to hear about Walmart’s past history. It almost sounds like it could be one of those ‘too big to fail’ banks we see on Wall Street today. But I wonder if Sam Walton would even recognize his company today?

  11. WSClark

    “Yes, they are successful but they also almost always crush their competitors”

    They also crush their suppliers. When I worked for a garment company in KC, to get Wal Mart business, we had to provide a men’s tee-shirt that has a half size smaller than standard, 4.8 oz rather than 5.5 oz and sell it for less than the normal version COST!

    I told the sales VP that we would be stupid to accept such a deal – he said that we would make it up on volume.

    (Let’s see – you lose money per shirt – so how do you “make it up on volume?)

    FTL (parent company) shut us down less than six months later.