Friday, 3/5/10, Public Square


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34 responses to “Friday, 3/5/10, Public Square

  1. fnord

    Now this is weather I can believe in! It’s 8 o’clock in the morning and 39 degrees F. I’m going to smile all day and not even complain about the wind. 🙂

    Happy Friday!

  2. fnord

    I’ve read several articles about the shooting at the Pentagon yesterday. Most say something about there being no terrorist connection, man acted alone, he just wanted to know the truth about 9/11…

    I must ask — what constitutes terrorism? A single man can’t be a terrorist even tho he is violent against government entities, even tho he believes in conspiracy theories that are perpetrated by the government? But when a group of men fly planes into buildings because they blame the same government for atrocities perpetrated against their people, that’s terrorism?

    Who made up the new definitions of this word? Who gets to decide who is a deluded criminal and who is a terrorist? Does there have to be some organization behind the deluded criminal to make him a terrorist? Is Fox News and people like Rush Limbaugh enough of an organization? They certainly get deluded people worked up and could be responsible for pushing them to violent actions.

    You know what I think? I think terrorist was a word made up to scare people. I think that is a tactic of the Republican Party and it doesn’t work on me. I suspect it doesn’t work on most people capable of rational and independent thinking.

    • wicked

      Only the R’s get to decide who are terrorists. 😉

    • As we learned during the Reagan administration, one man’s terrorist is another man’s “Freedom Fighter”. Who’s who depends on which side you are on.

      • indypendent

        You make an excellent point. Does the Iran-Contra Affair ring any bells?

        And to think there is a movement to get Reagan’s picture on the $50 bill. Reagan was no friend to the middle class and he was certainly no friend to America.

        But he did have that gift of the Forked Silver Tongue – didn’t he?

  3. fnord

    “Senator John F. Kerry (D-MA) has asked the Food and Drug Administration to lift their 1983 ban on letting gay men donate blood. Kerry, among 16 Democrats and one independent, sent a letter to FDA Commissioner Margaret Hamburg asking her to lift the “discriminatory” ban. “Not a single piece of scientific evidence supports the ban,” said one senator in a statement. The ban was imposed during the height of the AIDS epidemic, even though the FDA currently tests blood donations for HIV and other diseases. Despite those efforts, the FDA defended the ban, saying, “The agency understands and respects the desire of everyone, including MSM [men who have sex with men] to donate blood and save lives.”

  4. fnord

    Suppose any ‘young earthers’ will actually face scientific facts? Probably not, they decided long ago what they want to think and are good at ignoring facts.

    “After two decades of dino debate, the results are in. In an “international consensus,” a panel of “blue-ribbon” scientists have decided the Chicxulub asteroid-impact crater located in Mexico’s Yucatan Peninsula was, indeed, the cause of the mass extinction occurring 65 million years ago, wiping out the dinosaurs and the majority of life on Earth. An international group of more than three dozen scientists reported an unquestionable link between the Chicxulub impact event and the K-T boundary mass extinction. The initial discovery of the crater’s significance happened in 1991, with the debate finally laid to rest this week.”

  5. fnord

    McCain really must be worried!

    Senator John McCain will attempt to enhance his conservative bona fides by hosting the Republican Party’s new darling, Senator Scott Brown of Massachusetts, on an Arizona campaign swing. (Boston Globe)

    • wicked

      McCain screwed the pooch when he chose Palin for his v.p.. I wonder how much damage Brown will do. Me thinks McCain’s brain has atrophied.

    • indypendent

      When elected, Scott Brown said that McCain was the only person in Washington that gave him a second look and Brown feels that he owes his political career to McCain.

      That is probably why Scott Brown is front and center. But, I suspect McCain is using Brown much like he used Joe the Plumber. McCain thinks that some of that newfound fame will rub off onto himself and make him look all ‘mavericky’ again.

      • wicked

        “Brown feels that he owes his political career to McCain.”

        And Playgirl. 😉 Maybe he should try for another spread.

        Or maybe McCain should.

        Ewwwwwww! Forget I said that!

      • wicked

        Oops! Sorry, that was Cosmo, not Playgirl. I tend to get my guy-nudie mags mixed up. 🙂

        However, I’ll never forget Burt in that first Cosmo foldout!

  6. fnord

    Check out these billboards of hate.

    Of course, this isn’t terrorism and the people who pay for these aren’t dangerous, they’re just average people who love their country exercising their rights of freedom of speech.

    • wicked

      Now that’s just sad. But how nice that the majority, if not all, of those billboards were a total waste of money. Oh, wait! I’m sure those were tax deductions.

      I wonder how many people who had their insurance with that State Farm guy ended up moving their insurance elsewhere.

      At least the (very few) Dubya billboards were funny. Not so much these and definitely not filled with hate and fear-mongering. Oh, well, leave it to a Republican to “season” the pot for votes.

    • indypendent

      Did you notice the majority were in the Southern States? Then add in the nutjob that runs The World Net Daily spreading that birther nonsense.

      Can we all say ‘birds of a feather flock together’?

    • fnord

      The Southern states are the Republican Party ‘base,’ and unless the party appeals to states outside their base they remain a regional party unable to secure enough electoral votes to be relevant on a national level.

      This kind of hate displayed on billboards won’t be effective in increasing their appeal.

    • Sure, it’s fine for someone who has the money to put up a billboard hating on Obama, but when Bush was president and he came to town, I could not stand on the corner in front of the building I work in on the Plaza holding a derrogatory sign about Bush who always stayed a few blocks away. The streets of the plaza were heavily patrolled and there were secret service vehicles parked at every intersection that was open. They closed many intersections down so that there would be less chance of anyone getting close to the smirky little bastard.

      This is one issue I have argued and argued with conservatives and they never have a decent answer.

  7. fnord

    Hey, Republicans, dig deeper into your purses and pockets and checking accounts!

    The Republican Party has looked increasingly strong heading into election season, with a string of Democratic retirements and a rising tide of anti-incumbent resentment leading some to predict they might retake Congress. But there’s still a major obstacle to a wave of victories: cash. Despite the party’s rise in the polls, they lag the Democrats tremendously, Politico reports. Democrats have raised $442,885,585 since January 2009, versus $255,000,681 for the GOP. A study of House elections in 2008 by the Campaign Finance Institute found that the average win cost $1.4 million, meaning Republican House candidates would need $84 million for their elections—less than half of what’s been raised so far.

    Money worries curb GOP optimism

    • indypendent

      Isn’t it sad to think that the average win costs $1.4 million?

      Why are endorsing and encouraging the spending of millions for a job that pays how much?

      And yet, election cycle after election cycle, this nonsense continues.

      Just think about how many millions are wasted each year and We the People end up with mostly buffoons in power.

      • fnord

        Those elected find many ways to increase their ‘salaries.’ Then look at the golden nest eggs they’re assured.

        Does media gain most from the dollars spent on campaigns? I’m sure there are some travel dollars and dollars to lodging, etc., but I’m thinking media is where it is mostly spent.

  8. indypendent

    LOL – wicked.

    I had to laugh when his Cosmo posing hit the news. Some social conservative , God fearing, Religious Right Republicans were actually defending the picture because Brown never showed his anatomy – it was covered up by the staple!

    That just made me laugh outloud and they could never understand why I was laughing so hard. Think about it – a small staple covers it?

  9. indypendent

    McCain could pose for the AARP centerfold if they had one.

    In your words – ewwwwwww.

  10. Zippy

    Let’s hope the “senior administration official” that CNN quoted anonymously was not speaking for the Justice Department>

    New York doesn’t want the disruption. Okay. Try him in Tucson. I’ll be there to welcome the SOB to the Old Pueblo.

    Of course, he may actually be the SOB I presume (ya know, that whole outdated fair trial, guilt-or-innocence thing).

    And on a related development, apparently John Yoo and Jay Bybee escaped sanctions for their dishonest and potentially criminal mispresentations of the law due to continuing missing emails from the Bush adminstration, which Patrick Leahy is seeking to recover.

    What the public-domain “torture memos” aren’t enough? Maybe they need direct evidentiary links or something.

    And, severe political inconvenience aside, maybe that’s another reason Holder isn’t really going after Bush-era miscreats. The shredding parties must have gone on all night.

    • There is one reason why there is no justice in this country in regards to the previous administration and that is –the present administration. The powerful protect their own.

      Give me one other good reason why Obama has squashed ANY talk of justice for the abuses of office that took place under the previous administration. There isn’t one. Politics, you say? Bullshit–there are many people in this country that THIRST for justice for these people, and if the majority of the country was AWARE of half the stuff that took place, which they could be if Congress would SIMPLY hold hearings, they would want justice too.

      The RULE OF LAW? NO, the Rule of the Rich and Powerful OVER the Law.

      • indypendent

        Perhaps it is a case of not wanting to start the precedent of prosecuting former administrations due to the fact that the Obama Administration will one day be a ‘former administration’ and they don’t want to have possible retaliation done to them?

        That, or they just don’t have the cajones to do anything.

      • fnord

        I vote both!

        Remember how many times it was pointed out by evil libaruhls that all those ‘privileges’ bush the lesser was giving the executive branch would also belong to future executives?

      • wicked

        Maybe it’s because the focus needs to be on repairing the crap that administration did to this country?

        Think about it, guys. Remember the Clinton investigation? Remember how the focus was on Libby not so very long ago? That’s all the talk was about, not about the damage being done to us, the people of this country, who were being buried in b.s., while corporations grew bigger and stronger.

        An investigation into the 8 years of BushCo could take a decade. Once the WH goes red again, a new prez could decide to bury even the idea, much less the investigation itself.

        While I agree that something needs to be done, that’s just more money (OUR money) to dump into something that could die a slow death. Call me jaded, call me pessimistic, call me cynical. I’m all of those when I’m not being realistic.

  11. tosmarttobegop

    Or maybe McCain should.

    Ewwwwwww! Forget I said that!

    NO NOO we will not forget that Wicked!

    We will bring this up at the worst times!!!
    HEEE you are doomed!

  12. fnord

    Early this morning I said I wouldn’t complain about the wind, so this is only an observation —

    Damn! It’s windy outside! Wear weights in your hem. 🙂

  13. fnord

    I respect karma, and appreciate it when what goes around comes around to someone sooooo deserving!

    “Conservatives Turn on Liz Cheney

    Has Liz Cheney taken her attacks on President Obama too far? Several conservatives are attacking the former vice president’s daughter for her “Al Qaeda 7” campaign, which demonizes Department of Justice lawyers who have represented Guantanamo Bay detainees in the past. Paul Mirengoff, a writer on the conservative blog Power Line, called Cheney’s campaign “vicious” and “unfounded,” and later compared Cheney to Joe McCarthy. Meanwhile, John Bellinger III, a former legal adviser to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, told The American Propsect that Cheney’s campaign is “unfortunate” and “it reflects the politicization and the polarization of terrorism issues.” And Ted Olson, the conservative lawyer who won Bush v. Gore, said “When government officials are called ‘war criminals’ and when public-interest lawyers are called ‘terrorist huggers,’ it not only cheapens the discourse, it scrambles the dialogue.”

    • wicked

      It must be bad when they start turning on their own, and that goes for both Cheney(s) and the party.

      So where were these guys when Cheney was VP? Or is it because he’s not in control anymore, so they can actually speak out?

      • indypendent

        I think even they know when both Dick and his little darling Liz have crossed the line of decency.

        What took them so long?

    • tosmarttobegop

      For a long time the accusation has be that they eat their young!

  14. fnord

    Here’s the ad released by Liz Cheney’s advocacy group Keep America Safe, that has fellow conservatives up in arms. In the online spot, the group targets Justice Department lawyers who represented Guantanamo Bay detainees dubbing them the “al-Qaeda Seven.”