Sunday, 1/31/10, Public Square

By James Kavanaugh —

Raised As I Was

Raised as I was with devils and angels and a giant computer in the sky, I used to worry about God and aferlife and unquenchable fire.

Unlike Pascal, I finally decided that if God is as mean and petty as mean and petty Christians say He is, then it’s just a crapshoot even for mean and petty Christians.

And if God is a meticulous and malevolent moron who conditions salvation on Sunday morning TV terms, then a lot of Jews, Buddhists, Muhammadans, and guys like me are in deep trouble.

Which is probably why a lot of decent people refuse to believe in God.  Since I can’t accept that option with any great composure, I decided to create my own theology like everyone else.

Granted I don’t yet have a bible or a sacred mountain, not to mention my own TV show or even embossed stationery and a box number which is how anything worthwhile begins.

I do have a very friendly God who loves and understands everyone, and has provided an afterlife which matches Muhammad’s wildest dreams.

Now my friend Dubie says that I’m crazy not to face the fact that there may not be such a God or such an afterlife, and I asked Dubie when facing facts had anything to do with anything.

As I look over the world, people who seem the happiest are the ones who are sure there is an afterlife, or those who are convinced there isn’t one.  It’s the wonderers who do all the worrying.

Dubie’s going to get me a P.O. Box tomorrow.

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22 responses to “Sunday, 1/31/10, Public Square

  1. lilacluvr

    The problem is not with God but with the ‘religions’ that man has created throughout the years.

    And I would have no problem with these religions if all men/women would respect each other’s religion and not use their own particular religion as their weapon.

    But I believe in a spiritual God.

    But more than that – I believe in a just God. Most religions have some sort of a judgment day but I don’t see it as a toss up between Hell or Heaven.

    Rather, I see it as a reconciliation of what we did with our life on Earth. Did we strive to be that good friend and neighbor? Did we strive to truly understand the other person’s point of view. Did we strive to be compassionate?

    Did we bring more goodness into the world than spreading hate?

    That’s what I think Judgment Day will be about.

    But these television preachers, who are greedy for all that tax free money, knows that hell and fury with a big threat of eternal damnation works wonders to make intimidated people reach into wallets and send lots of money?

    BTW – Why would I want to go to Heaven when these self-righteous Religious Righties are bragging that they are are going to be there? I don’t want to be around these phoney Christians on Earth – I sure don’t think it sounds very enticing to think I would have to be around them for Eternity!

    • “Why would I want to go to Heaven when these self-righteous Religious Righties are bragging that they are are going to be there? ”

      ME TOO! I figure wherever I end up, if that’s where people like me go, I will get along with those people better than the others. I whatever the situation, we will all be in the same boat.

  2. tosmarttobegop

    Rodger Alies was on ABC this morning, FYI he was the one who came up with the slogan “Fair and Balanced” knowing it would be a burr under the blanket of the Liberals.

    Anyway it was sadly humorous to me, when Huffington confronted him about things said by Beck.
    Alies was very “Clinton-like” as Bill was about Lewinsky.

    “Plotting plans that will kill millions and millions of people!…. Obama!”

    “ I did not have sex with that woman!…. Monica Lewinsky!

    (Oh this should be good, in a few moments the panel will be discussing the president at the GOP retreat)

    Anyway, Jennifer Flowers explain how that was not a lie when President Clinton said it.
    He was pointing to a woman in the crowd and that was true he had not had sex with that woman.
    The reference to Lewinsky was a separate statement in Clinton‘s mind so he was not lying.

    Alies explain that Beck was talking about Hitler and Stalin and not about Obama.
    If anyone misunderstood that was their fault not Beck’s.

  3. My relationship with “god”, in what ever form I choose to believe him/her in, is between “god” and me.

    If god intended for me to go to some temple and worship him/her then he/she is going to be very disappointed in me.

    Personal choice…it’s my right!! Maybe we should all just learn to respect that.

    • fnord

      Welcome to PPP’s, italco. We welcome new bloggers.

      You, and you alone, will be held accountable (if there is an accounting), so yes, I agree with your opinion about personal choice.

      I think that is what James Kavanaugh was saying in this writing.

  4. tosmarttobegop

    I got the sense the questionnaire was trying to trap me when he asked.

    “Which is better, to believe insincerely in a real God

    or sincerely in a false God?”.

    Me being me and feeling this was a trap, I told him I would think about it and answer at the end of the week.

    here was my answers:

    To believe insincerely in a real God, that God would know you are insincere and it would do you no good.

    But if by your sincere belief in a false God, your life and the lives of those around you benefit and it makes you a better person.

    Then it is better to believe sincerely in a false God!”.

  5. fnord

    I read an article in our local newspaper recently that said a majority of Americans believe in God, but don’t participate in organized religion. Or, at least not with an allegiance to ONE place of worship with ONE set of standards (standards isn’t the word I want here, but I can’t think of what would fit better). The article even used “cafeteria” as a descriptive term of how the majority approach their beliefs and how they worship.

    It’s sad, isn’t it, that some who profess the loudest also do a disservice to their professed beliefs?

  6. fnord

    If we rewrite our country’s Constitution to more closely resemble the Bible, which interpretation will be used? Which beliefs will be the “right” ones?

    I am not advocating this!

    But some politicians (Huckabee for one) have said they do and I always wonder if they get their way how long it will be before the next ‘holy war’ begins?

  7. Zippy

    I personal would find it far more difficult and depressing to believe ina god or gods, as it would make much of the disorder, disease and random suffering inexplicable. Even a “hands off” supreme being demands the question “why?”

    No offense to anyone, but a “shit happens” universe is quite awesome enough for me, and the more I learn about the physical aspects of existence, the more wondrous it becomes.

    As for my attitude toward belief and believers, insert the Virginia statute for Religious Freedom, and a similar militant commitment to freedom of thought (even, and especially when I disagree), and you’ve got that one down.

    Thought I do wish the Relgious Right would quit trying to exercise dominion over everyone else. Their power would diminish were it not for (too many) otherwise “nice” Christians would stop voting in favor of such proposals by the fringe, when given the privacy of the voting booth (for that matter, I wish our judicial system would have the constiatency on human rights to not allow such proposals on the ballot at all).

    And I’m not just talking about the marriage amendments. Historically, these types have been at odds with the human rights of others (and even, stupidly, their own, as it usually happens in the end).

  8. Zippy

    P.S. Totally unrelated, but noteworthy:

    Bankers try to fight off wave of controls

    By Patrick Jenkins and Gillian Tett

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/be5b72a4-0e85-11df-bd79-00144feabdc0.html

  9. wicked

    I had some thoughts the other day about what would happen if a “National Religion” were to be announced. All I had to do was think of Henry VIII, which basically is what led the Pilgrims to the New Land, then later to a Constitution that declared Freedom of Religion. I do think the Fundies should give that some thought.

    As for my own faith, it’s all mine, designed and embraced by me. I feel comfortable with it, after many, many years of being uncomfortable with all the other offerings. In it, “God” has no name. It’s, “Hey, whomever or whatever you are, I could use a little help here, if you have the time.” 🙂 And even those little “prayers” are few and far between. No one and nothing will help, unless I do it myself. So maybe I am my own God. Okay, make that Goddess. 😉

  10. WSClark

    Personally, I believe in “Inna Godda Da Vida.”

  11. lilacluvr

    I think God is above having to be tied to a golden throne in some place called Heaven.

    He (or she) is, after all, God. Maybe God is an energy force that is based on love and goodness?

    All I know is that when I was at my lowest during my cancer journey, I had alot of family, friends and coworkers sending their positive thoughts my way (some people call it prayer, others simply call it caring). And I believe that all that positive energy on my behalf did make a difference.

    But I also had one hell of a doctor and I was lucky to beat the damn cancer.

    Maybe that is what this life is all about? We need to get out of the mold of thinking about ourselves and starting giving to others – if only to have one positive thought and wishing someone else something good to happen to them.

    • lilacluvr

      I need to clarify something – I am not trying to imply that people that don’t beat cancer or any other disease don’t have caring family or friends – because I know that is not true. My brother died from liver cancer and he has the same family and friends sending their prayers and positive energy his way.

      It was simply not enough because my brother’s time was up. I truly believe that we are all put on this Earth for whatever time we are allowed and we need to make the most of it.

      And, frankly, I cannot see myself spending my time like some of these Religious Righties who seem to be bragging that they are going to Heaven and the people who disagree with are destined for Hell.

      Somehow, I don’t think God would be too happy with that type of arrogant behavior.

    • wicked

      It’s said that the energy you put out will come back to you. Send out negative energy or be surrounded by it, and only negative things will return. Send out positive energy, and you’ll receive more.

      lilac, I agree that prayer is synonymous with energy. The more fervent people pray, the more energy they put into it and thus give out.

      Everything around us is energy. Even we humans are made up of energy.

      I like things to make sense. For me, the above does. 🙂

  12. fnord

    “Maybe God is an energy force that is based on love and goodness?”

    To me, God is love.

    • lilacluvr

      If these phoney Christians would actually read their Bible that they like to thump and use as their weapon, perhaps they would find that God is love in many, many Scriptures.

      But, I’m afraid these phoney fools are too busy trying to justify their arrogance and ignorance.

  13. lilacluvr

    ‘It’s said that the energy you put out will come back to you. Send out negative energy or be surrounded by it, and only negative things will return.’

    Whoa, wicked, does this mean Fox News and its talking head idiots surrounded by their loyal lapdog supporters are due for a whopper of karma coming their way?

    I don’t want to be anywhere near it when that thing hits!

    • wicked

      We can always hope! Oops! Is that negative? Ha!

      I have complete faith in karma. I’ve seen it work.

      • lilacluvr

        I’ve seen it work and it usually hits at the most unexpected moment – which makes it all that much better to watch!!