Thursday, 12/10/09, Public Square

The Nobel Prize is a Sweden-based international monetary prize. The award was established by the 1895 will and estate of Swedish chemist and inventor Alfred Nobel. It was first awarded in Physics, Chemistry, Physiology or Medicine, Literature and Peace in 1901.  The Nobel Prizes in the specific disciplines (physics, chemistry, physiology or medicine, and literature) and the Prize in Economics, which is commonly identified with them, are widely regarded as the most prestigious award one can receive in those fields.

With the exception of the Nobel Peace Prize, the Nobel Prizes and the Prize in Economics are presented in Stockholm, Sweden, at the annual Prize Award Ceremony on the 10th of December, the anniversary of Nobel’s death. The recipients’ lectures are presented in the days prior to the award ceremony. The Nobel Peace Prize and its recipients’ lectures are presented at the annual Prize Award Ceremony in Oslo, Norway, also on the 10th of December. The award ceremonies and the associated banquets are typically major international events.

Read Alfred Nobel’s will here.


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43 responses to “Thursday, 12/10/09, Public Square

  1. Monkeyhawk

    An interesting profile of the Koch brothers —

    I really get tired of sockpuppet flame wars (Hi, “BlueJay!”) but I can’t restrain myself from thinking some CONs over at WE Blog are on staff (or, more likely, unpaid interns) in Koch Industry’s communications department.

    I don’t follow it quantitatively, but there sure seems like a 7am-3pm shift of CON posters and another batch posting from 3 ’til 11. I suspect ol’ “Regular” is a pathetic narcissistic freelancer. And “GMC70” is pretty reliable goldbricking CON since he posts only during office hours from his hide-hole deep in the bowels of the Butler County Court House.

    • Ummm. I usually only post during business hours myself. And I’m not here on anyone’s behalf.

      I have a sister-in-law that used to hold a position of responsibility at Koch (over ten years ago). When I recently suggested that there was any sort of encouragement by staff, management or ownership of Koch for employees to engage in any sort of political action, she immediately stated that it was never like that when she was there and, on the contrary, any sort of politics was discouraged in the workplace. She could be out of touch; maybe things have changed, I suggested. She said things would have to have made a 180 degree change in order for what I am suggesting to now be the norm.

      This doesn’t prove or disprove anything, I am just making an observation.

  2. Well you have more fortitude than me! I got tired of blogging about bloggers looooong ago! If it isn’t informative or fun it simply is a waste of my time. I’m getting old and have less time to waste. 🙂

    I’ll read the link later after I’ve completed a few other more enjoyable tasks — the toilet bowls need to be cleaned…

    I actually did a short stint in my younger years at Koch and saw up close and personal this evil. Since then I’ve kept an eye open and when we see the tip of the iceberg we need to be aware of the massive size of that evil that lies underneath mostly invisible.

    • fnord,

      I would be interested in hearing about your experiences there. If you prefer not to post publicly, you could always email me or contact me through social networks.


    • I will share some privately. Probably not today, but I will.

      Publicly I will say the standards of conduct are strict. I’m not even criticizing that they shouldn’t be! I’m one of those who believes things from the past, like, your attention to your personal grooming and a professional appearance do contribute to your work. I expected to make sacrifices to be at work on time regularly and took care of personal and family needs off the clock. I was rewarded for my dedication to my job. I played the games well because I supported four children and myself alone without help. I had to!

      Some of the things that riled me the most came not from the company but from my boss. He was a little man in all ways. His title was president of Koch Oil which was one of the larger of the then 40 subsidiaries. I was his private secretary, and we were officed just down the hall from Charles Koch and Sterling Varner. Appearances were vitally important to that little man. He told me on the first day of the job that I would be busy every minute and if I really wasn’t I would appear busy. He suggested removing a letter from the file and retyping it as a suggestion of what I could do to appear busy. After all, it was possible either Mr. Koch or Mr. Varner would walk past by desk to get to his office at any moment.

      It just got worse from there!

      Can’t you imagine me in that role? Even the much more timid, less worldly wise me that was then. 🙂

      • I’m not good at “looking busy” either. I can only imagine that it wasn’t fun being under that person’s constant notice.

        I don’t understand that kind of mindset, either. It sounds like people just trying to cover their own butts. You’re either busy or you aren’t. I usually find something to occupy myself constructively and would not appreciate any “tips.”

      • When I was a younger person, I ran into that mindset. A senior partner was blind, and if the typewriters were not busy, that meant the clerical staff wasn’t busy, and reviews of their positions were in order.

        I now believe that this mindset was behind the resistance I faced in attempting to introduce computers into the office. Until the printers ran, there was little audio evidence that any work was being done. Never mind that the staff was able to correct typos before producing a final product, and that revisions were more efficiently performed, there were too many idle hands around (although we were understaffed and adoption of computers allowed us to function better with our staff).

        Be busy; and if you’re not, look busy. Reminds me of my experience in the USAF.

  3. The Nobel Peace Prize puts a new responsibility on the shoulders of our country’s president. No matter how we think about his performance he had many weighty responsibilities laid at his feet last January 20, and this is another.

    Each time I get most discouraged about what is (or isn’t) happening, I stop to think these challenges could have been laid at the feet of McCain / Palin, and I am once again thankful for who was elected president and who is in charge. I’m still happy about my vote and would do it again!

  4. I have the privilege of attending two concerts over the next few days. Each concert includes a grandchild performing which make them even more special. Tonight I attend one at Northwest High School and next Monday evening at Robinson Middle School.

    Part of what makes this time of year even more special!

    • Went to my grandson’s choir concert over a week ago; it was lovely. Went to my son’s combined band/choir concert last week and then his piano recital over the weekend. I really love watching kids grow artistically and improve skill-wise. It is a thing of beauty!

  5. Monkeyhawk

    The perfect CON Christmas gift!

    Just wanted you to know I almost care.

  6. My nephew sent a Christmas card that still has me giggling. It shows a child sitting on Santa’s lap. The caption is, “Define good.”

    I’m pretty sure after the definition is offered there could be the opportunity for, “I can explain that, Santa.”

  7. I read that the acceptance of The Nobel Peace Prize has happened. Anyone have a link for the text of the acceptance speech? I prefer reading speeches to viewing them.

  8. itolduso

    Thanks for the link. I read the speech. Not bad. Some good, some I disagree with, but it was a political speech. One given in light of the award to one by his own admisison, probably did not deserve it, but was given anyway. In hopes that he would one day deserve it. It was given in a tone that I think was necessary for the event at which it was given.
    Overall B+

  9. Bad Biker

    Well, since this is an open thread, I want to take a moment to address a point for the lurkers from the “nameless blog.”

    A while ago, a WEBlog poster slammed me for my nic on this blog. Here’s the backstory.

    Bad Biker…………………….

    Actually, I am no longer a biker, having sold my ride a while ago, but I have been a motorcyclist a good portion of my life, having bought my first bike at age 19.

    The “Bad” part – strictly tongue-in-cheek. Not bad as in Hell’s Angels, but bad as in Dennis the Menace.

    Get it, XXX?

  10. And we will leave our Lilac’s true identity the secret that it is! The worst part about the silliness is the person who gets ridiculed for posting here and doesn’t!

    • lilacluvr

      Yes, it is true – I am not the person the WEblog CONS think I am.

      This must mean that CONS are not the superior people they profess to be? So, if they are wrong about my identity, then what else are they wrong about??

  11. Our friend David shared this link on his Facebook page. In light of the award that was presented in Norway today, what do you think? Those who are so afraid that President Obama may meet with some success they have to call him ‘The One’ could make a bunch of stupidity out of this!

  12. lilacluvr

    Ran across this in HuffingtonPost today.

    Seems SC Senator DeMint (remember this is the GOPPER that is out to Waterloo Obama) thinks very highly of himself as being a king.

    Also, please note who this guy was talking to in this interview – none other than Pat Robertson’s CBN group.

    You remember Pat Robertson- don’t you? He is that holier-than-thou Evangelical preacher-type guy who has advocated murder of foreign leaders he doesn’t like and then told his followers to pray for certain Supreme Court justices to die from heart attacks or some other untimely cause of death. Yeah, that Robertson is such a shining example of that Christian love….isn’t he?

    I wonder what the litmus test will be that King DeMint will be giving to find those new Republicans???


    Jim DeMint: ‘I Need Some New Republicans’ (
    First Posted: 12-10-09 08:45 AM | Updated: 12-10-09 09:19 AM

    Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) sees himself as something of a kingmaker in the Republican Party, and is actively supporting very conservative candidates running against the party-establishment picks. Some party leaders are not pleased with his approach.

    Now, in an interview with David Brody of the Christian Broadcasting Network, DeMint defends his strategy, saying that to get anything done in the senate he need some “new Republicans.”

    “I need some new Republicans, people who believe in constitutional government, a balanced budget and liberty and so I’m out across the country recruiting new Republicans who I think if they get here will not only challenge the institutions of government but be willing to even challenge the Republican Party and our leadership if they feel like we’re going in the wrong direction,” he said. “I think just a handful of new Republicans in the Senate could help change the direction.”


    DeMint also argued that he was just helping the GOP back onto the right course.

    “The problem here in the Republican Party is not that our base has gone to the right,” he said. “The problem in the Republican Party is that the leadership has gone to the left and the tea parties and the Republicans out across the country are right there where American principles have always been and I’m trying to pull the party back to the mainstream of where America really is.”

    • He states the problem is some have gone to the right, others to the left and he has a preference for who moved in the correct direction. It seems the bigger problem may be splitting a small number into two smaller numbers doesn’t bode well.

      They didn’t have the numbers to win at the national level without splitting up!

      • lilacluvr

        I wonder if his new Republicans will all have the same look as he and his fellow ‘real’ Republicans from C Street have?

        You know the type – white, male & evangelical only need apply.

  13. itolduso

    Regardless of DeMint’s fantasies about his own position, I see little in

    “I need some new Republicans, people who believe in constitutional government, a balanced budget and liberty and so I’m out across the country recruiting new Republicans who I think if they get here will not only challenge the institutions of government but be willing to even challenge the Republican Party and our leadership if they feel like we’re going in the wrong direction,”

    To disagree with. Whether or not he and I would agree or disagaree with what “constituional” government is, I have no idea. I am in agreement that we must return to a Constitutional governement, I am in agreement in principle that we must have a balanced budget (though it will now take forever to get there) and I believe in liberty. I also believe the Republican Leadership is going the wrong direction, and have done so for a very long time.

    I would also have to agree with the statement
    “The problem in the Republican Party is that the leadership has gone to the left ” in regards to fiscal responsibility. They got in power, and tried to out Democrat the Democrats in buying votes. Dumbasses. Spent money like a freshman in college with his first credit card.

    On balance, a good statement.

    • lilacluvr

      Just exactly what Republican president had a balanced budget?

      Cheney proudly boasted that Reagan proved deficits don’t matter.

      As far as Constitutional government – exactly where in the Constitution does it say to give billions to corporations to outsource American jobs?

      Politicians like DeMint like to wave the flag, wear their flag on their lapel and sing I’m a Yankee Doodle Dandy but when in power – they are no better (and sometimes worse) than the guy they are ranting and raving about.

      And with DeMint – the threat of theocracy is ever present. And where in the Constitution does it say that freedom of religion means ‘freedom of only the Christian religion?’

      • itolduso

        I can find little in this post to disagree with. Deficit spending, as a general “lifestyle” whether it be individuals, corporations, or governments, is detrimental to the general welfare of the entity. Sooner or later, the piper must be paid. Republican or Democrat, for this, or for that, deficit spending comes home to roost.

    • The reality of the situation, as I see it, is that the curtain has come down and the man behind it is not who we thought he was at all.

      This is true of both parties. They are not there to serve the best interests of this country. They are there to serve the monied interests of this country–and others.

      By their actions in the past twenty-five years, both parties have made a statement. And that statement is “We will pretend that this is all about freedom and democracy, but it’s really all about us getting rich and having control to make sure everyone else stays down at the bottom while we suck all the money and resources up for ourselves and aid the wealthy corporate interests that helped us get this power in the first place.”

      Neither Clinton nor Bush lacked the proper amount of conservatism. It just wasn’t what they were there for; to govern conservatively or liberally. They were there to line the pockets of the special interests and they did so. Obama appears to be doing the same and the current Democrats in Congress as well.

      Quick, somebody name me the last time they can prove anything was done by government strictly to improve the lives of the citizenry?

      You’re on the clock.

      • itolduso


        You pretty much hit the nail on the head. These politicians don’t care about the people, at least for the most part, and after their first term in office. They are there to protect their own special cadre of special interests, in order to keep their positions of power, influence, and let’s not forget financial gain.

  14. prairiepond

    “They got in power, and tried to out Democrat the Democrats in buying votes. Dumbasses. Spent money like a freshman in college with his first credit card.”

    And then when the democrats got back in power, they tried to out repuke the repukes, and they’ve been succeeding at it ever since.

    WTF is up with that? Wannabes all?

    • lilacluvr

      I suspect they are trying to distance themselves from George W. Bush.

      But, as I stated above, Reagan proved deficits don’t matter.

      But, now Republicans are even trying to say that Reagan was not even a real Republican. That’s kinda hard to believe with all those golden statues of Reagan the GOP has in their hallowed halls.

      I heard you have to kiss Reagan’s backside to even get into the front door of the GOP headquarters.

    • itolduso

      No, not wannabees, they are from the same cloth.

  15. prairiepond

    “But, now Republicans are even trying to say that Reagan was not even a real Republican.”

    Just logic impaired.

    “No true scotsman” fallacy.

  16. Bad Biker

    “If you want to address me, do it here where it’s fair and open.”

    It’s fair and open over here too, XXX.

    Try it, you might just like it.

    • lilacluvr

      To try something out of one’s comfort zone takes the self-assurance that comes from being able to see both sides of a coin.

      • Bad Biker

        I not only see both sides of the coin, but I see the edges, also.

        (Feel free to use the above in any debate.)

  17. lilacluvr

    Then if I’m sure you’re aware that ‘In God We Trust’ was NEVER taken off that coin – huh?

    And, this my friend, is why you are such a good debater!!!

  18. tosmarttobegop

    The president, CEO and chief instructor of the Computer programming school I went to gave these ideologies.

    If your spouse complains you spend too much time at work or with your boss. Then divorce them as they are no good for your career.

    You had to make a reservation at the best restaurant in town six months ahead of time. You have bought tickets to that one play your spouse has always wanted to see. You are going out for your twenty anniversary. The phone rings and its your boss, he is entertaining a prospective client who’s account would mean a million dollar contract for the company. And he wants you to come and simply fill one more chair at the table.

    You should go as he is your boss and pays your salary… There will always be another anniversary!

    You should not miss work for a child’s school program as there will always be another school program.

    LOL he was on his second wife and his wife and children worked at his programming school.

  19. itolduso

    This is an unfortunate, though probably necessary ruling. The basic constitutinality of seizures of property that might have been used for a drug offense needs to be challenged directly. Here, SCOTUS backed out because the ownership of the property had already been settle.

    • tosmarttobegop

      While I was working for the Sedgwick Co. S.O. the WPD chief got in trouble over this. A woman of wealth was arrested on drug trafficing charges.

      She had a brand new Caddy and he decided he would have it a his official city car.

      The dask was thrown up and a Police radio was installed. Lights and siren added.

      Then the charges were dropped and there was an uproar!

  20. David B

    I dunno how I forgot to add a remembrance of JOHN LENNON a couple of days ago on the anniversary of his sad sad death.