Saturday, 11/07/09, Public Square

hatWomen’s suffrage in the United States was achieved gradually, at state and local levels, during the 19th Century and early 20th Century, culminating in the Nineteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, on August 26, 1920, which provided: “The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex.”

On November 7, 1893, passage of a referendum made Colorado the first state to grant women the right to vote.

The Kansas legislature passed a law in February 1887 giving women in our state the right to vote.



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50 responses to “Saturday, 11/07/09, Public Square

  1. David B

    Terrible compromise over abortion was struck to move the health bill forward:
    House Democratic leaders agreed Friday night to settle an impasse over abortion by letting the entire House vote on a proposed solution, a risky decision that could determine the fate of their trillion-dollar overhaul of the nation’s health care system.

    The amendment offered by Dem. Stupak, which is sure to pass with all the R votes:
    “The amendment would prohibit a new government-run insurance plan created by the health-care bill from offering to cover abortion services, congressional sources said. It would also block people who received federal subsidies for the purchase of health insurance from buying policies that offered coverage for abortions.”

    Sorry to bring the bad news. The House meeting is set to begin at 8 AM our time on CSPAN. It should last all day.

  2. David B

    Here’s a good look on what to watch for during the House meeting:

    Also, be aware that the Senate debate on the bill will make this one look like a tea party. (Grrr.. they corrupted this phrase.)

  3. Although this stinks I suspect there is much in the bill that isn’t what Americans need and even more that isn’t there that should be. I hope the bill ultimately helps rather than hinders.

    Medicare for all would have helped everyone and benefited our economy. Maybe someday.

    Just like in the days before an abortion could be obtained legally those with the means will get their abortions billed to their insurance (whatever kind it is, wherever it comes from!) under a different name. Women without the means will be hurt by this for awhile. Eventually, everyone will have affordable health care that includes women’s reproductive services.

    Baby steps.

  4. For college football fans — 11:30 today from Manhattan Kansas, two state schools meet.

    Rock Chalk Jayhawk! GO KU!


    K-State fans do your cheering too!

  5. tosmarttobegop

    I have accused those bring up abortion as nothing more then looking for the boggy man when the lights is on. It is reaching to find the fault rather then actually having a real issue.

    It would be the same if they tried to pass a law stating that an employer could not pay wages if there is a chance the employee might use them to drink, do drugs or get a abortion.

  6. tosmarttobegop

    I never questioned women having the right to vote…. Until I found out my wife voted for G.W. Bush in 2004. But then I concluded it was not the right of women could vote it was she lost her mind!

    • wicked

      Oh, I don’t know, tstb. Think about it. In Dubya’s family, it’s his mom who wears the pants. 😉

  7. David B

    At work.. but watching cspan House coverage on the site

  8. Maybe issues of today will happen gradually and at state and local levels first, like women’s suffrage did.

    If Colorado became the first state to allow women to vote 116 years ago today and the Nineteenth Amendment didn’t become reality until August of 1920 which was 89 years ago, we see that important issues don’t get ‘settled’ easily.

    It’s sad that every American doesn’t enjoy the right to affordable quality health care, and not allowing every American the exact same civil rights is beyond any understanding.

    The majority of Americans are for a public option. Thank goodness the haters are few in number.

    If God had wanted us to care for the poor He would have said so.

    Guess this is another place the haters pick and choose the Bible verses they want to believe. They do the same with the Constitution.

  9. GOP Leader Takes on Limbaugh

    Is a Republican leader actually standing up to Rush Limbaugh or is another apology inevitable? Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA), the only Jewish Republican member of Congress, went after the conservative radio giant in an interview with Bloomberg News for comparing President Obama to Adolf Hitler, who Limbaugh said in a recent broadcast “also ruled by dictate.” Said Cantor: “Do I condone the mention of Hitler in any discussion about politics? No, I don’t, because obviously that is something that conjures up images that frankly are not, I think, very helpful.” A spokesman for Cantor also decried a poster at an anti-health care rally attended by Republican leaders in Washington earlier this week, which graphically compared Holocaust victims to Americans under Democrats’ health-care plan. Previous Republican leaders who have criticized Limbaugh for going too far, most notably RNC chair Michael Steele, have apologized to the radio host within days.

  10. And so at 9:43 a.m. (our time) the debate begins! Finally!

  11. Woo Hoo — women are absolutely speaking out on not being discriminated against! And, we’re impatient with the party of old white men!

  12. Boy! Not only are those Republican old white men discriminatory, but they are downright rude!

  13. So the party of NO knows another word — OBJECT!

    At least everyone watching C-Span sees how absolutely rude this idiot is. I hope the Sargent at Arms is asked to escort him from the room so the adults can proceed without the children present.

  14. Remember this name — TOM PRICE, R, Georgia. Have you ever experienced such a rude buffoon before?

  15. “The Chair” is stretching the truth beyond belief when he calls those men, ‘gentlemen!’

    Is anyone else watching these Republican men show their asses? WOW! I sure hope this comes out on YouTube so Americans can see who these guys are!

  16. David B

    History in the making – live on TV.

  17. I know which side is conducting themselves in an orderly polite manner, and it’s easy to identify who isn’t.

    I applaud “The Chairs” patience!

    I would have bitch-slapped those idiots by now. And, there, is why I will never be in that position! 🙂

    I see others didn’t have the same good judgment regarding their ability to behave!

  18. And while the Republican idiots use the word KILL overandover, the members of the Democratic Party sit politely and allow them to show who they are with their own words.

  19. Republican women have no idea how to make a statement of unanimous consent without editorializing.

  20. Bad Biker

    What are you people doing indoors? Get out! This is Indian Summer – the bestest time of the year!

    • Yeah, but those Republican Reps were making such asses of themselves! You’re right, there will be many opportunities for them to do that (like most of the time). Good point, Biker!

      But now the KU/KSU game is one!

      Can I do it all? Watch the idiots, wach the game and be outside?

  21. David B

    Do you have 25 minutes?

    This morning I heard a BBC radio documentary on the events in the critical days of the financial meltdown. Very much worth hearing:

  22. wicked

    Keep me posted on the House bill and what’s going on. I have to put my nose to the grindstone until it’s time to get ready to go see Wicked tonight.

  23. wicked

    This would be a good time to rent and watch Iron Jawed Angels. Check at Blockbuster, Hollywood video and Netflix.

  24. David B

    GOP lawmaker disrupting a female colleague who is addressing the House.

  25. David B

    7:20 PM ET — Democratic aides: We’ve got the votes. “Today we will pass the Affordable Health Care for America Act,” Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said on the House floor Saturday evening. Politico is reporting that Democrats have at least the 218 votes needed to pass the bill. Three Democratic aides tell HuffPost the same thing.

    Read more at:

  26. David B

    It is estimated the vote may come around 11 P.M., our time.

  27. David B

    20 minutes ago:
    House speaker Nancy Pelosi, Democrat of California, expressed confidence a short while ago that the health care legislation being debated on the floor would pass.

    The Democrats need 218 votes from their majority of 258 to achieve passage; Republicans, with 177 members in the House, have vowed that no one on their side will vote in favor. By some estimates, more than two dozen Democrats may join Republicans to oppose the bill.

    The leadership went so far as to support a very restrictive amendment on abortion in an effort to persuade conservative Democrats to vote for the overall package.

  28. David B


    Passed with one Republican vote and 219 Democratic votes

    • Standing ovation!

      We had a dinner party to go to, and I checked in as soon as we got home to find this great news!

      Hooray! A big first hurdle. Now, on to the Senate.

  29. lilacluvr

    I just looked on Rep Cao’s (R) of LA website and there is a message there stating that the Rep voted for the Health Care Reform bill due to the abortion amendment being changed to strictly prohibit federal funds going towards abortion.

    He also stated that he got assurances from President Obama that he will work with him towards other goals in LA.

    I wonder how long will it take for the rednecks in LA to go and make an effigy of this guy and burn it in the streets?

    You might want to go to his website – it is fascinating. He was actually studying to be a priest – so I wonder what mud will the rednecks of LA who hate Obama is going to be slinging at Rep Cao?

    From what I read, this guy sounds like someone who knows how to work with the other side and really accomplish something – rather than just ‘objecting’ to the other side before they get the second word out of their mouth.

  30. I know we are supposed to be thrilled over this, but why is it okay for women’s healthcare rights to be sacrificed AGAIN!??? Poor women, who would benefit from a government option or subsidy are most at risk of and most financially affected by unwanted pregnancies. That is partially because of the price of birth control.

    Ever been too poor to buy your birth control? I have. It is a terrible feeling. It is very hard to be in a stable relationship with someone and not have the birth control thing under control. Men may carry condoms, but they don’t like to use them, especially when they are in a monogamous relationship. And condoms aren’t always as effective as you would like.

    Men in Congress suck. And the women there should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this to pass. I was worried that the Senate would add this crap, but looky, looky the Congress did it for them. IT SUCKS!!

    • lilacluvr

      The reason women’s health care is not a priority is probably the same reason Viagra is covered under most health insurance plans and birth control pills are not.

      While I agree with you this health care bill may not be something to cheer about, at least it is a start.

      I’m just waiting to see what happens in the next few months.

  31. I too am waiting. And, since we have further circus acts to come with the Senate version, then the reconciliation committee, I’m not getting too excited about what has passed to this point. Of course, my great hope is that as this issue makes it way through the process it will be improved. I’m not holding my breath.

    I know it will happen, if not this time, it must be soon. And if Republicans come back into the majority and they can reform health care at that point since it would be their victory, I’m fine with that. I just want every American to have access to affordable, quality health care.

    I am weary of the partisanship of politics, and I despise the system where there must be a winner and a loser. We could all be winners if someone didn’t need to lose so another could claim victory.

    • lilacluvr

      Do you really think Republicans want to reform health care even if and when they come back into the majority?

      I’m afraid reforming the health care system is just a Democrats idea – and for that, I do give the Democrats credit for at least attempting to do something.

      As Obama stated in the very beginning, doing nothing about health care is not an option.

  32. lilacluvr

    The Senate seems to be a larger battle to win and I have serious doubts about Harry Reid.

  33. I think each party only wants it to happen if they can have the credit. Yes, it is more likely the Democratic Party will fight for individuals, and the Republican Party for corporations. But both parties will fight hardest to keep the other from achieving something that might be appreciated.

    I’m so disappointed, can’t even find the proverbial bootstraps, let alone tug on them. 😦

  34. I don’t know for sure if there are any Republicans left that don’t fit in one of these two categories —

    1) worship at the alter of tax cuts, no matter what. They would literally cut off their noses to spite their face because they aren’t even smart enough to know what they’re doing;

    2) those whose only goal is to overturn Roe v Wade.

    I haven’t seen any indication the current bunch wants more than to defeat President Obama.

    Now, that’s my complaints about Republicans in Congress, but I have a much longer list of complaints against the Democratic members of Congress. They don’t walk lock-step, but they aren’t any smarter, and they aren’t any more honest, and if they happen to do something good for Americans it’s so they can advance their own cause.

    We need to get rid of every one of them!

    • lilacluvr

      I certainly think term limits is a good thing – but as we all know, Todd Tiarht ran on term limits and he isn’t planning on going anywhere soon – is he?

      BTW – check your email….

  35. Got it, Lilac, and responded.

    Tiahrt has some sort of excuse for that term limits promise he quickly broke. Something about that Contract With America they used to sound like they were genuine humans and wanted to do good things. They proposed term limits but the Democrats wouldn’t go along so it didn’t pass and since it didn’t pass all he had to do was try… Doofus! Boy, I hope he loses in the primary and is gone. Not that Moran is desirable, just that one of em has to go, and I prefer it be Tiahrt!

    • lilacluvr

      We can take comfort in one fact – seems the C Street Christians don’t want Tiarht to win either, since they are backing Moran.

      Ouch….now that had to hurt Todds pride.