Sunday, 11/01/09, Public Square

imagesDid you remember to set your clocks back?

We here in Kansas are going to be treated to a beautiful first day of November — mild temps, sunshine, almost no wind — one of those days we should savor before ole man winter makes his appearance.   In Kansas you have to learn to appreciate the best of what each season brings!

It’s time to start thinking about all the things you have to be thankful for so you can be prepared come Thanksgiving Day.  Will you share one thing from your list with everyone today?

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18 responses to “Sunday, 11/01/09, Public Square

  1. I find this ‘in-fighting’ between Republican factions interesting. I’ve read several takes and it seems to be heating up rather rather than moving toward reconciliation. The Philadelphia Inquirer has a good piece about how this split is becoming a chasm.

    — snip —

    “The race for the open seat in New York’s 23d District has become an ideological knife fight between conservative Republican purists and pragmatists over the future of the party and, ultimately, a test of whether politics should be about pushing a consistent set of values or forming diverse governing coalitions based on compromise.

    Yesterday, the purists won.

    “We intend to take the party back from the elitists who have stolen it from the Reagan conservatives.”

    Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R., Texas), who now heads the Freedom Works organization, was the first national conservative leader to get behind Hoffman. Armey said he believes the New York GOP misread the mood of its own base.

    “The Republicans lost this race when they nominated this candidate,” Armey said of Scozzafava.

    On the ground in the North Country, local tea-party activists provide the core of Hoffman’s campaign army, augmented by compatriots from as far away as Colorado. But local organizers say they are not pawns of the national debate; rather, they say, people in Upstate New York are fed up with politics as usual.

    “We are just the visible face for something much deeper and much less organized,” said William Lamar Wells, an economist and farmer who leads CNY912, which takes its name from the Sept. 12 march on Washington to protest the federal government’s growing role.

    “I’ve never seen people so terrified of their government,” Wells said, calling the national debt “a force of physics that is going to catch up to us.”

    Jennifer Bernstone, 36, an acting coach and personal trainer, was politically apathetic until the bank bailouts last year got her mad. Now, she is running a satellite office for the Hoffman campaign for 18 hours a day.

    “People are trying to make this a party thing, but it’s the principle,” Bernstone said. “We spent too much and we’re screwed and we need to stop . . . or bye-bye, America.””

  2. Really great pictures of happy people — Halloween at the White House. Neat!

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/gallery/2009/10/31/GA2009103102174.html

  3. A good article covering the ‘in fighting’ going on in the Democratic Party over health-care reform.

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    “Now corruption allegations against potential supporters of a filibuster have ramped up the war within the Democratic Party.

    While left-wing pressure is moving the debate, one of the leading reform organizations advocating health-care reform expresses wariness of the tactics. “Rachel Maddow and Jane Hamsher are talking to the Democratic base, but [these corruption charges] don’t resonate with swing voters,” says Alan Charney, the program director of USAction, the lead grass-roots organization in the Health Care for America Now (HCAN) coalition, with its 1,000 local and national groups. “The bottom line is not to score rhetorical points, but real points by moving members of Congress to do the right thing,” he observes, favoring a strategy he calls “positive pressure.”

    “How’s that working out for them?” says Hamsher scornfully. “Alan Charney’s full of shit.”

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-10-31/the-netroots-take-the-gloves-off/full/

  4. I have heard that the ‘states may opt out’ provision in health-care reform could result in the ‘trigger’ being pulled where private insurers have failed to offer policies that are broadly affordable.

    Does that mean the states who don’t want to play ball with reform will be the only ones who actually get the best solution — a public option?

    What have you heard on this? Any links or should I wade through the House bill?

    Here’s where I was reading: “States likely to shape health reform”

  5. Nobel Prize winner Joseph Stiglitz said that the U.S. recession is “nowhere near” an end despite the fact that the economy’s third-quarter growth increased by a rate of 3.5 percent. Stiglitz, who is the former chief economist at the World Bank, told an audience in Shanghai that those numbers were inflated by the Obama administration’s stimulus spending and would be “miserable” otherwise. The economist’s gloomy forecast included the prediction that unemployment numbers would increase, saying “Growth won’t be fast enough to bring down the unemployment rate.”

    Stiglitz Says U.S. Recession ‘Nowhere Near’ End After GDP Jump

  6. prairiepond

    I like the Daily Beast.

    Crooks and liars had a post this week about how Big Insurance (is there little insurance?) sees the handwriting on the wall that they wont be able to stop this “public option”, weak as it is, if the opt in proposal is attached.

    So their latest tactic is to fight tooth and claw to make it a state “opt in” provision.Because it’s harder to get states to opt in. Big Insurance can fight it better at the state in if the default setting is to do something, instead of doing nothing.

    Government inertia, ya know.

    Entropy LIVES!

  7. prairiepond

    I read last week that almost 40 percent of AIG’s government bailout money actually went to Goldman because Timmy Geitner required AIG, unlike many other institutions, to pay their obligations 100 cents on the dollar.

    It’s pretty clear Geitner still works for Goldman, even if his paychecks come from the federal government.

    Is obama that dumb? Or just that corrupt?

  8. tosmarttobegop

    I have seen a similar divide in the Democratic party, between what would be called “Democrats” and
    “Progressives”. The Democrats are the Pragmatics within the party compare to the Progressives who are more the Ideologs.

    The difference between the Conservative Ideologs and the liberal Ideologs is the Cons is set to a restrictive set of principles. While the Liberal principles are more wishful thinking “there is no reason so great that it is not possible!”. That is not saying that the Conservative is being a realist, it is saying that the Con is setting the limits based on imposed restrictions.

    Both suffer from their imposed restrictions, where the Con see only a set amount as possible and the Liberal see no restrictions. Which also is a limit as they become like someone with one foot nailed to the floor and ends up spinning around in all directions.

    Meanwhile the Republicans and the Democrats are fighting for a common ground where their more Ideologs are trying to force a less pragmatic direction. If the Ideologs win then it leaves both parties as a isolationists camp. We are seeing this effect in the GOP right now, where people like me are feeling the estrangement.

    I have also encountered people feeling the same within the Democratic party. Their frown and give their head a minor shake. Then express a wait and see opinion as to where it all is going.
    Both the Conservatives and the Progressives are heading toward forcing the general voter away.
    The claim that the majority is conservative is true but they are not as conservative as the “Conservatives”.
    The general public is more conservative out of being pragmatic as realist in that not all things are possible.

    That also effects when it comes to the Progressives too, as the general are more grounded.
    What does this all mean? It means that one of two things will happen either the parties will have to move back toward the center. Or the death as effective parties will happen as they both lose the general voters.

  9. tstb, Do you see this move of the middle as well represented by the ‘teabaggers’?

    I think there may well be a number of those who do represent the middle, but I see the whole of the ‘teabagger’ movement being representative of so many different factions that if separated would show how small each faction is. There’s the ‘worship at the honorable tax cuts’ faction, the abortion nutcases, the gun nuts, the state’s rights folks, onandon — each small group blinded by their single cause and unable to see a bigger picture.

  10. tosmarttobegop

    Fnord there would be some from the middle who would be attracted to the tea baggers.
    Their thoughts on taxes and government is appealing to many. There are many who voted for Dr. Paul whom started these protests but it was taken over and bastardized by the special interest.

    They are using it as a means to the statuesque, control of the unwashed masses.
    The simplistic ideas and the focus on the anger felt to actually continue the very things they hate.

    You ask anyone on April 16th about their taxes, they will not express that they feel as they have done their duty to the country. Most its the feeling of being robbed, they gave over their money and it means they survived. Not happy to be have given it but it was better then the alternative.

    Most are lost as to what they can do or what to do. So there is the doing something about something they do not control and will not have a effect on.

  11. tosmarttobegop

    Rush is on Fox new Sunday and the feeling in my stomach is as it is every time I hear him.
    Ignorant and blind, much like someone who is staring at a bald light bulb when ask how dark the night is?
    He see no need for more light and is opposed to any movement to enlighten the masses.

    He is happy at the light and could not care less that there are others who live in darkness.
    I have thing to get back to later.

    • lilacluvr

      Rush knows how to keep his dittoheads in the dark. After all, if his dittoheads were to actually think for themselves – then why would they need Rush?

      Rush has said some pretty outrageous stuff and yet his loyal dittoheads smugly praise him.

      Isn’t it funny, Republicans always say that Rush is not the GOP leader but yet Rush shows up on Fox News?

  12. lilacluvr

    I see the tea baggers as people who are easily led. No doubt there are some people who are sincere when they talk about smaller government and fiscal responsibility. but for the most part, these are people that like to dress up in their costumes and get their picture taken and maybe be on television.

    But let’s remember one thing – this entire teabagging thing has been pushed by Dick Armey.

    And when Dick Armey was in Congress, exactly what did he do to get that smaller government and fiscal responsibility?

    The teabaggers may be sincere on the local level but at the ground level of their ‘leader – Armey’ it is nothing more than retaking the power the Republicans have lost.

    Armey knows how to throw a ruckus – and these teabaggers are nothing more than a loud, noisy ruckus.

    But I wonder, what does the average American think of when they hear the word ‘teabagger’? Is it a positive image they get in their head or is it negative?

    I’m willing to bet a majority sees the teabaggers as something negative.

  13. Something went wrong with the light winds part of today’s predicted weather! Ah, ’tis Kansas. Smile because the rest of the forecast came true! 🙂

  14. David B

    S M I L E !

  15. Hi Sekan! Always good to see you, and especially nice when you bring such sweet offerings to share. 🙂

    Did you see this?

    Scozzafava Endorses Democrat Owens Over Conservative Hoffman

    The drama within the GOP is heating up. After resigning from New York’s 23rd District special election race yesterday, Republican State Senator Dede Scozzafava has announced her endorsement of Democrat Bill Owens for the House seat. “In Bill Owens, I see a sense of duty and integrity that will guide him beyond political partisanship. He will be an independent voice devoted to doing what is right for New York,” Scozzafava said in a statement. The remaining Republican standing in the two-way race is Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman, who has received backing from Sarah Palin and Fred Thompson. Political analysts and pollsters are scrambling to predict what this means for the 20 percent of voter support, Scozzafava—a moderate to liberal Republican—held. “When we try to parse the Scozzafava voters, they mostly look like a toss-up, with at most a sliver of extra support for Owens,” said one political analyst. Democrats are capitalizing on the stir-up within the Republican Party to point out that it’s stifling moderate voices and being “taken captive by its right wing.”

  16. wicked

    Have a good week, my friends! I’ll be busy at the keyboard this week and will have youngest grandson, since my daughter is going back to work part-time, starting tomorrow. I just hope he gives in every day and takes a nap! 🙂