Friday, 09/18/09, Public Square

FridayWhat’s on for your weekend?  The leaves are beginning to pile up so I suspect for some handling the clean up will be on tap.  Whatever you do, I hope it includes blogging.

This is your thread, share what you want to discuss, or just visit with blogging friends.

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33 responses to “Friday, 09/18/09, Public Square

  1. Morning Prairie P&P’s enjoy the day, it was great 🙂

    • jammer5

      Dang it, I wanted to find out for myself. I’ll bet you skip to the end of books, and post it on the net!

      • “Rosebud” was Charles Foster Kane’s sled.

        Sorry to ruin the movie for ya.

        And “I see dead people” clued you in that Bruce Willis was dead around the first two minutes into the movie.

      • Jammers give me a few days and I will tell you the ending to Lost Symbol (Dan Brown’s newie)
        Hey Monkey Hawk, did you know the real meaning behind Rosebud? Orson Wells found out the nickname Hearst had for his mistress’ s, well “intimate” anatomy and wrote it into the movie. Hearst was furious.

  2. I had a boss once who was so grumpy!

    If you told him to have a nice day, he would snarl back that he didn’t like being told what to do!

    I didn’t last long at that job.

  3. wicked

    Hey, iggy, wherever you are, I just want to say thanks for the tip on Lie to Me. I watched 5 episodes online last night. I was hooked with the first. 5 were all there were to watch.

    • wicked

      I read the summary of the Baucus plan when it was released. My thoughts? It sucks. Might as well have nothing than to have what it offers.

      I’m pretty much of a mind that this whole thing is, once again, a failure. I don’t hold out any hope that it will get better. Thanks for nothing, Republicans, and Blue Dog Dems, too. May Karma bite you in the ass.

    • maybe we should hire these guys

  4. http://christopher-calbat.newsvine.com/_news/2009/08/09/3134989-lawmakers-should-write-bills-in-simpler-terms-to-avoid-misconveying-their-intentions

    massive c&p warning

    snip

    I think (opinion alert!) that they use the vernacular they do so that they sound more intelligent, almost as a matter of justifying their position as a legislator. Whatever their motive, the end result is quite simply that they don’t write laws that the less articulate of us can understand. This is how things get misconstrued.

    Here’s an example to illustrate my point – page 425 of the health bill. (You can find it here)

    Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the
    term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a consultation between the individual and a practitioner described in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning,
    if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has

    1 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such consultation shall include the following:”(A) An explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to.
    ”(B) An explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable
    powers of attorney, and their uses.
    ”(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.
    ”(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list of national and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with advance care planning, including the national toll-free hotline, the advance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal service organizations (including those funded through the Older Americans Act of 1965).
    ”(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title.

    Wow, all of that when they could have simply said –

    Under the proposed health plan , every 5 years the patient will have the opportunity to discuss with their practioner whether or not they would be interested in a living will or durable power of attorney authorizing medical decisions to be made by a person of the patients choosing in the event the patient is unable to make those decisions themselves.

    It’s the same statement, just without all the ambiguous wording and confusing doublespeak.

    And it would’ve reduced a bill with over 1000 pages down to less than 500.

    Simpler to understand, and more economical!

  5. There would be NO political theatre.

    Political theater is a cottage industry.The pundit class collects many silver coins from voicing their opinons.

    ——–
    for a modest fee, I’ll be delighted to explain why…

    How about 2 chickens some home grown tomatoes 10 bags of clothes my kids have outgrown. Do we have a deal?

    • lilacluvr

      And those silver coins the pundits collect are simply symptomatic of a society that basically wants to ‘win’ the argument rather than solve the problems?

      • anniethemoose

        And those silver coins the pundits collect are simply symptomatic of a society that basically wants to ‘win’ the argument rather than solve the problems

        ——–
        Here’s my take on it. The pundits are a tool used to create controversey which drives reader interest. The reader becomes emotionally involved in the arguement. Emotions trump logic. Certain elements of our society manipulate these arguements for profit motives.

        The down side to this is in order to keep the public interested, the arguements have to become more radical. Enter the Glen Becks Coulters ect. On our side of the isle, our pundits prosper by making fun of the wingnuts.

        Could turn out to be a dangerous game.

  6. lilacluvr

    wicked – how is Payton doing? I think about her and the rest of your family daily.

    She sure is a cutie….

    • wicked

      She’s doing well, lilac, and thanks for thinking of her and us. This morning they took her into surgery and sewed her back together. 🙂 The breastbone that was cut was tied together with wire, then the layer of muscle sutured. Next came another layer, this time of tissue, and finally the skin was stapled. They said she did GREAT!

      One step at a time, and we’re learning what the word “patience” really means. They hope to take her off the ventilator tomorrow, and then mom and dad can hold her again. Re-learning to eat is probably the next step. As long as her vitals stay at the normal level, we’re all happy.

      She has her own website/blog that’s provided by Children’s Mercy Hospital.

      http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/paytonunrein

      • lilacluvr

        She sure sounds like a little fighter and that is a good thing!

        Isn’t it telling that we all here on this blog are thankful for the little ‘steps’ of improvement every day for your precious Payton while all these selfish town hall protester fools are worried they will lose their endless, taxpayer subsidized health care coverage for every ache and pain they think they have.

        Priorities are a hard lesson to learn and seems to be lost on certain people in our society.

        Maybe Payton’s story will change one person’s view about the current health care debate? We can only hope.

      • wicked

        I should thank those taxpayers. They’re paying for all of Payton’s health care right now. 🙂 Without it, well, I don’t want to think of what would have happened.

  7. 6176746f6c6c65

    That’s very good news, wicked.

  8. wicked

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/18/bill-moyers-tea-party-org_n_291625.html

    This is– Oh, I don’t know whether to laugh at the stupidity of these people or to cry, knowing they believe what they say.

    “Obama is trying to change the country from within!”

    Uh, isn’t that where the best change happens? And believe me, after the last eight years, something had better change or we’re going down like Rome.

    “Get government out of my life!”

    Okay, when YOU get out of MY life where my sexual preference and my body are concerned.

    “Stop taxation! Stop the spending!”

    And where were all of you when Dubya (YOUR president) was borrowing trillions from China for a war a whole truckload of us didn’t agree with? I’d rather spend trillions keeping people in OUR country healthy and alive, than killing our own and others in a foreign country where we don’t belong and it took LIES (real ones!) to get us there.

    Oh, please, bring ’em on!!!

  9. lilacluvr

    wicked – I hope you did not misunderstand my reference to the taxpayer subsidized health care. I have no problem with my taxes going to help anyone in need of health care.

    But when I see these elderly Republicans protesting against health care reform, when they themselves enjoy a taxpayer-subsidized health care, it just make me want to spit.

    I remember my in-laws would constantly go into the doctor complaining of minor aches and pains. Of course, the doctor would write them prescriptions for medications (because they refused to just take over the counter meds). At one time, my mother-in-law was on 10 meds and she was in better health than I was. The woman was lonely and just wanted someone to talk to – and the doctor was a captive listener – and a well paid one, at that.

    The doctor told my husband that his mother needed more help than he could give her and that most of her aches and pains were due to her not being engaged in life – I believe that is where that positive attitude would come into play for good health.

    • wicked

      No, lilac, I didn’t misunderstand. I agree with you. I’d rather pay for health care for others than the invasion and occupation of a country, the deaths of our soldiers and innocent people. Whether I and/or my family has health care or not, I like to think it would still be a priority to me. I think it would. Maybe that’s because I’ve been down the road. You know, the one in someone else’s shoes. Not nearly to the extent of others, but enough to get a taste and leave the nasties in my mouth.

      I don’t mind paying taxes. It’s part of being a citizen. Some taxes I agree with, some I don’t. I’d like to see all taxes make this a better country.

  10. Yeah. I know the origin of “Rosebud” —

    I went through about a decade of obsession over “Citizen Kane.”

    I’ve forgotten a lot of stuff but I think I at one time knew the name, address, and telephone numbler of the girl in the white on the passing ferry boat Everett Sloan talked about.

    And I was a piker. In film school some nuts asked questions like, “How many ice cubes were in Susan Alexander’s drink after the through-the-skylight shot?” Three people in the room got it right.

    I have a superficial knowledge about a lot of stuff. But there are people who know way too much about specific stuff.