Wednesday, 09/02/09, Public Square

image012No matter what happens your day will be better than the owner of the laptop pictured to the left.  Probably better than the poor puppy pictured too!  🙂

What’s happening?  Is everyone spending all day outside enjoying the amazing weather?



Filed under The Public Square

56 responses to “Wednesday, 09/02/09, Public Square

  1. griffin

    Are you sure this picture isn’t a Monday picture? It’s hump day and the rest is down hill.

    • This would be when I shouldn’t comment about not seeing a great deal of difference between Mondays and Wednesdays…

      Is that correct?

      People who still go to work are real touchy about this difference being pointed out to them. 🙂

    • wicked

      Yes, but we have to get through it or at least halfway through the day to get to the downhill part.

  2. jammer5

    Isn’t that Faux news on line in the background? Good dog . . . goooood doggy.

  3. Very cool this morning! The wind is from the east and when it kicks up it really feels cool. Whodda thunk it? Late October weather in late August and early September. Sure hope winter isn’t two months early!

    • lilacluvr

      I remember the year (1991?) we were transferred to Larned Kansas – there was a blizzard on Halloween. That was the last year my son got to go trick or treating – and we did it in spite of the mess.

      That hot chocolate tasted so good when we finally made it home!

      My son still talks about that night and he will be turning 29 in November.

    • 6176746f6c6c65

      The younger is enjoying this; says it reminds her of her “adopted home”.

  4. lilacluvr

    Found this on Huffington Post blog and interesting reading. ….seems Mark Sanford is now publicly identifying with Sarah Palin…..birds of a feather flock together?

    Oh well, that’s okay – I’m sure ‘their’God will be on their side and smite the rest of us heathens to Hell…

    S.C. Gov. Sanford says God on his side
    Shaken by absence of GOP support
    By Ralph Z. Hallow (Contact)

    Originally published 04:45 a.m., September 2, 2009, updated 07:08 a.m., September 2, 2009

    Embattled South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford acknowledged Tuesday that he has been shaken by the failure of a single fellow Republican to back him in his fight to save his job, but vowed to fight on for conservative causes and for “what God wanted me to do with my life.”

    The governor, trying to survive a scandal involving a widely publicized extramarital affair, also compared a new ethics probe over his travel and personal expenses to what he called the baseless complaints brought against former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

    “I think I now know what Sarah may have been feeling,” Mr. Sanford told The Washington Times.

    Mr. Sanford vowed not to quit despite growing pressure from South Carolina lawmakers and Republican Party officials to resign or face impeachment. He said he intends to complete his term, not to hold on to power but to fight for conservative principles of governance.

    “I feel absolutely committed to the cause, to what God wanted me to do with my life,” he said in an interview. “I have got this blessing of being engaged in a fight for liberty, which is constantly being threatened.”

    Mr. Sanford was once considered a rising star in conservative circles and a potential 2012 Republican presidential contender. He gained national attention earlier this year for his battle to refuse a portion of President Obama’s $787 billion stimulus program targeted largely for spending on education in the state.

    But the 49-year-old second-term governor has been rocked by revelations this summer of an extramarital affair with an Argentine woman – which mushroomed into an international tabloid scandal – and by an official probe into charges that he misused public funds for travel and personal expenses.

    Republican members of the South Carolina House, at a private retreat over the weekend in Myrtle Beach, agreed to ask Mr. Sanford to step down. Days earlier, Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer, also a Republican, called on the governor to quit.

    “The consensus was for the governor to resign, and nobody in the room said the governor should not resign,” House Speaker Pro Tem Harry Cato, a Republican, told The Times on Saturday.

    Mr. Sanford made the Palin comparison after disclosing a confidential probe begun Aug. 18 by the State Ethics Commission. The investigation, requested by State Attorney General Henry McMaster and the leaders of the state House and Senate, focused on the governor’s use of state aircraft, his overseas flights and the suspected use of campaign funds to pay off personal expenses.

  5. “what God wanted me to do with my life.”

    It’s strange to me that an adult man would think God wanted this man’s young sons to learn of things like commitment, family values, truth, trust, from someone like him.

  6. Bad Biker

    And Sanford wanted CLINTON to resign for getting monica from Monica. At least Bill had the fiscal restraint to have his affair in the office.

    What’s that saying? It’s okay if a Republican does it?

    Sumptin’ like that.

  7. lilacluvr

    fnord – these Fundies just don’t get it – it’s all about them. They really cannot see beyond their nose (and in Sanford’s case – his little head).

  8. jammer5

    It’s quite amazing how these co-called Christians suddenly invoke God after getting caught with their pants (literally) down. That seems to be the standard gospel of the C Street gang: “We were chosen by God to lead the unworthy, and anything we do in the process has God’s okay.”

    Arrogance and power go hand in hand, and the combination of the two, when expressed in the “I’m sorry, but really not” attitude of the religious right wing wackos, supports that contention. All these wingnuts need to go, and voting them out is the first step. Keeping them out is mandatory.

  9. Bad Biker

    I just spent a few minutes “over there” just reading and not posting and a question came to mind:

    Is there a rational Con/Republican left in America?

    Seriously. Just reading a bit of Am, Johnson, Ant, Reggie, Hick, Box and KS/Okie is maddening. Besides being just about the only ones posting “over there” they are just about nuts. Really. No rational thought, no sense of fair play or responsibility, just mindless ranting.

    I think they had a collective stroke last November.

    • lilacluvr

      And they seem to be on there 24/7, don’t they?

      Do these people not have personal lives? Is that why they are so miserable and just want to make everyone else miserable too?

    • Good morning Biker!

      Me and Lilac — we’re rational (well, somewhat on our good days at least!) and we’re Republicans (well registered at least!).

      • Bad Biker

        I swear, it was down right scary reading that crap “over there.” I’m not the most sane person in the world, but I’m the epitome of normal compared to them.

        Hell, KS/Okie was calling out Fnord because of a book she read wasn’t on the Times best seller list.



        Insanity, thy name is Con/Republican.

      • She is my most loyal fan! I have no idea why I get to be her most-oft target, must be because I’m so lucky, huh? Well, me and BlueJay (Thunderchild, wsc, Monkeyhawk, Steven, and maybe Chas…) She is kinda snarky to many now that I really think about it! She stalks me, literally, and makes the most outrageous posts right after I have made one — really obvious stuff that says only, “I must post and tell the blog how stupid this woman who just posted is!”

      • lilacluvr

        I’m with you sister….I just realized the other day that I am going to have to re-register to vote in Butler County since we have bought the house.

        Ugghhhh…….I just now got the taste of nasty out of my mouth after registering in Sedgwick County as a Republican…

        But it will be well worth it if Tiarht gets his ass handed to him in the primary.

        BTW – was that you sent your posting to the Opinion Line and they printed it about being a lifelong Democrat but is now voting Republican to get rid of Tiartht? I didn’t do it – so I thought it was you…

        or maybe there are others out there who are also RINO’s….

      • It wasn’t me — I thought it was you!

        There must be others. 🙂

      • wicked

        Now, fnord, you should be thrilled that she likes you so much! My posts get ignored by everyone. tee hee

    • wicked

      I stopped in to read over there earlier this morning, too. A few minutes was all I needed to tell me that things have gone from bad to ridiculously bad.

      No sense posting facts there. They wouldn’t know a fact if it hit them in the head with a 2×4. Their motto is to spout false rumors, rinse and repeat. And all that rinsing will never get to the truth.

  10. tosmarttobegop

    PreK-6 Menu of Classroom Activities:
    President Obama’s Address to Students
    Across America
    Produced by Teaching Ambassador Fellows, U.S. Department of Education September 8, 2009

    Before the Speech:

    Teachers can build background knowledge about the President of the United States and his speech by reading books about presidents and Barack Obama and motivate students by asking the following questions: Who is the President of the United States? What do you think it takes to be President? To whom do you think the President is going to be speaking? Why do you think he wants to speak to you? What do you think he will say to you?

    Teachers can ask students to imagine being the President delivering a speech to all of the students in the United States. What would you tell students? What can students do to help in our schools? Teachers can chart ideas about what they would say.

    Why is it important that we listen to the President and other elected officials, like the mayor, senators, members of congress, or the governor? Why is what they say important?
    During the Speech:

    As the President speaks, teachers can ask students to write down key ideas or phrases that are important or personally meaningful. Students could use a note-taking graphic organizer such as a Cluster Web, or students could record their thoughts on sticky notes. Younger children can draw pictures and write as appropriate. As students listen to the speech, they could think about the following: What is the President trying to tell me? What is the President asking me to do? What new ideas and actions is the President challenging me to think about?

    Students can record important parts of the speech where the President is asking them to do something. Students might think about: What specific job is he asking me to do? Is he asking anything of anyone else? Teachers? Principals? Parents? The American people?

    Students can record any questions they have while he is speaking and then discuss them after the speech. Younger children may need to dictate their questions.
    After the Speech:

    Teachers could ask students to share the ideas they recorded, exchange sticky notes or stick notes on a butcher paper poster in the classroom to discuss main ideas from the speech, i.e. citizenship, personal responsibility, civic duty.

    Students could discuss their responses to the following questions: What do you think the President wants us to do? Does the speech make you want to do anything? Are we able to do what President Obama is asking of us? What would you like to tell the President?

    Teachers could encourage students to participate in the Department of Education’s “I Am What I Learn” video contest.
    On September 8
    the Department will invite K-12 students to submit a 2
    video no longer than 2 min, explaining why education is important and how their education will help them achieve their dreams. Teachers are welcome to incorporate the same or a similar video project into an assignment. More details will be released via
    Extension of the Speech: Teachers can extend learning by having students

    Create posters of their goals. Posters could be formatted in quadrants or puzzle pieces or trails marked with the labels: personal, academic, community, country. Each area could be labeled with three steps for achieving goals in those areas. It might make sense to focus on personal and academic so community and country goals come more readily.

    Write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals.

    Write goals on colored index cards or precut designs to post around the classroom.

    Interview and share about their goals with one another to create a supportive community.

    Participate in School wide incentive programs or contests for students who achieve their goals.

    Write about their goals in a variety of genres, i.e. poems, songs, personal essays.

    Create artistic projects based on the themes of their goals.

    Graph student progress toward goals.

  11. Sonia Sotomayor may not be the most junior Supreme Court justice for long: Justice John Paul Stevens has hired fewer law clerks than usual, leading some to speculate that the court’s leading liberal will retire next year. The Associated Press reports that Stevens has hired only one clerk for the term that begins in October 2010, and that he is usually among the justices who has hired all four clerks for the following year by now. It was Justice David Souter’s failure to hire clerks that first tipped court watchers to his retirement earlier this year. Stevens, 89, joined the court in 1975 and is the second-oldest justice in the court’s history.

    • jammer5


    • I would like that very much!

      The article says that if Ruth Bader-Ginsburg health deteriorated (NO indication of that!) he may stay on but otherwise looks like he will retire.

      This probably means President Obama will have at least three Supreme Court appointments.

      • lilacluvr

        This has got to have the Republicans foaming at their mouths…

        Possibility of 3 supreme court justices – – just imagine that…

        Expect even more theatrics and tantrums from the Republicans…

  12. tosmarttobegop

    LOL a couple of years ago I was having real problems with my keyboard, keys sticking, hit B and G would appear on the screen. I picked up the keyboard and a yellow fluid came running out of the sides!
    I was at a lost till the time came that someone saw a cat we use to have climb up and squat on the keyboard.

    As much as my wife complained about the time I spent on the computer. I would not have put that passed her. The cat was a surprise.

  13. If President Obama gets three appointments and it’s the three we expect will be replaced and the person he appoints is the judge he expects — nothing will have changed.

    What would be absolutely wonderful is if he has the opportunity to replace one of the Conservative judges!

    • lilacluvr

      But, do you think the Republicans can think about the ‘big picture’ and realize the balance of the Court will not be radically changed?

      I don’t give them that much credit to think things out.

      But what it will guarantee is that the liberal side of the Court will be well entrenched if and when Obama leaves the White House – maybe in 2012 if the Republicans are successful enough to put out enough lies???

  14. Scalia (conservative) and Kennedy (swing vote) are both in their early 70s, replacing especially Scalia would be a real feather in the Progressive’s cap!

  15. True! At least Obama should have the opportunity to replace the oldest liberal judges with younger ones.

    It can be a crap shoot however. Several judges have surprised the presidents after they were appointed and ruled differently than expected.

  16. lilacluvr

    Let’s just be thankful McCain and VP Sarah Palin don’t have this chance to stuff the Court with their favorites – then the country would be dragged back to the Dark Ages.

    • I am thankful!

      On the subject of McCain. Recently I have seen some of the man I saw back in 2000 when he was eliminated in the primaries but the dirty tricks of rove et al. I never saw that man leading up to the 2008 elections, but he is reappearing.

      I’m still grateful he isn’t president, but am gaining back a bit of respect for the man.

      • lilacluvr

        I, too, was impressed that he had that woman escorted out of his last town hall meeting. And he did get booed by Republicans when he said Obama does respect the Constitution. McCain, to his credit, did tell the people they were wrong.

        As you said, where was this McCain during the campaign – especially towards the last few weeks? If McCain would have told Palin to shut her lying mouth at those rallies, I think the moderate Republicans would have respected him. But, I’m sure, he was told to not alienate the Republican base that just loves and worships Sarah Palin.

        And I give McCain credit for not backing down from Cheney about torture. McCain still tells Cheney he is wrong about that. And with McCain having first-hand knowledge of torture, I do think people will listen to him.

  17. lilacluvr

    jammer – I copied this from the World Net Daily as to their ‘breaking story’ about Obama not being born in Hawaii. This is about a girlfriend that supposedly saw Obama’s mother in Seattle two weeks after Barack was born and she even had to show his mother how to change a diaper (thank God this woman was there – ha,ha)

    ‘Moreover, documentary evidence establishes Dunham abandoned Barack Obama Sr. in Hawaii and moved to Seattle, where she was enrolled for extension classes at the University of Seattle only 15 days after reportedly delivering her first-born child in Honolulu. ‘

    Pardon me, but doesn’t this documentary evidence state that her first-born child (Barack) was born in Honolulu? Doesn’t their own documentary evidence show that they are full of sh_t? I guess they are trying to prove that Barack has lied about his family…

    And, of course, all of this is surrounded by ads to buy life insurance and those seeds of life to plant for when the end of the world arrives…

    Again, pardon me, but if the end of the world comes – who is going to collect that insurance and who is going to need food?

    But what really got me was the gem about the government using Sesame Street to teach about personal hygiene.

    How dare they – those liberals wanting everyone to be clean and germ-free. That is downright un-American.


  18. lilacluvr

    Have you heard the news about Diane Sawyer taking over for Charles Gibson? Charlie is retiring.

  19. fnord,
    I, too, was reading at the other place this a.m. A sure sign I have too much time on my hands…

    Jay was posting a lot and posted something that I thought was true about some money of yours and mine. It was on the open thread, and I wonder if you saw it?

    What Jay claimed, I always thought was true, and I am not remembering now, how I came to suspect what I did. The explanation was interesting, and unverifiable. Thought you would like to see that exchange, since we had some investment in that situation.

  20. I did read it, Iggy. Had to see what everyone was talking about. The man I sent the money to built a computer and when it was all over contacted me and offered to return the money. I said, “No, keep it. The reason I sent it was so my friend would have a computer and that was accomplished.” I remember acknowledging there had to be costs involved for parts, and his donation was his time. So I always knew he kept the money, but it was with my permission.

  21. Thunderchild

    By way of explanation….

    I didn’t know that someone had asked for money on my behalf. I was so very touched to learn that people thought enough of me to give. I THINK all the people that gave post here but I am not sure. Thank you again to Steven, linda, Capn and anybody I missed. That’s been some time ago, but I have not forgotten the kindness.

    DO let me know if I missed you.

    I don’t feel it is appropriate to further air this in the open unless anyone wants me to. I DID want those who gave to be reassured as to what happened to their money. I will be writing to each of you in person to better explain.

    For now, suffice it to say, the money was meant for one thing and ended up (at least I’m told) going for something else that I ASKED it to go for. While I am in disagreement with the person who asked for it, I have no reason to doubt his honesty in the matter and am happy with the outcome. IF he posts here, I mean him no ill will. I hope I have been a good steward of your generosity. This has been on my mind.

  22. Thunderchild

    “am happy with the outcome.”

    Which I should mention I could not know unless I found a way to ask. It might not have been the BEST way of seeking information. But there are efforts underway to silence me on the other blog and I didn’t want to leave it unasked.

  23. Absolutely it is a fact that ‘help’ was given and not requested! It’s just what friends do!

    You know the part that I dislike Thunderchild — because you know me and we’ve talked about it. I dislike not being anonymous. It just isn’t quite the same if people know. There isn’t any reason, far as I can see, that someone who has extra shouldn’t offer to help someone who has less.

    I don’t understand a bunch of those people at that blog (that shall not be named). When you spend time with hateful people you have to be very careful that you don’t pick up hateful ways.

    When you give someone power — they have it.

    Hurting people doesn’t make any sense to me — not for any reason, not because they hurt you, and not because they deserve it! Far as I can see, Thunderchild, you allowed yourself to be lowered to their level and joined in their vengeful, hateful, hurting ways. You hurt yourself in doing that! You need to start right now taking better care of yourself, expecting better of yourself — because you’re worth it!

  24. wicked

    I see he-who-has-many-nics is whining again, poor thing, and playing the ‘poor pitiful me’ game, one at which he’s become an expert.

    fnord, really, can’t you do better than the NYT bestseller list? LOL Of course the cons have a bunch of books listed there. They use small, conservative-only publishers who buy thousands of the books to get that NYT rating. It’s an old, boring trick, well known in the publishing industry.

  25. I don’t think I could ever do good enough. It wouldn’t matter if I stated the sky is blue and the grass is green sometimes.


    Oh well, we have Prairie P&Ps!

  26. Gotcha! Why Online Anonymity May Be Fading

    When Rosemary Port, a New York blogger, used her anonymous posts to call a New York fashion model a “skank” and a “ho,” she had no idea that her name would soon be plastered across the pages of the New York Post.

    In Port’s case, it took a court order to reveal her identity, but the Internet, which gained a reputation for being an anarchic and wild place in its early years, is becoming less and less anonymous in many ways.

    Some of the change is cultural. Users have been flocking to social networking sites like Facebook and Twitter, where they voluntarily share all kinds of details about their lives.

    In some ways, the meteoric success of these sites could be a reaction to anonymous blogs and public comment boards, which can often devolve into name-calling and polemics. (A famous Internet axiom called Godwin’s Law holds that the longer an online discussion continues, the higher the odds that someone will compare somebody else to a Nazi.)

    “The nasty anonymous world is certainly still there, but I think people are trying to create protected spaces where they are a little more insulated from that,” says Mary Madden, a senior research specialist at the Pew Internet and American Life Project. “It is becoming increasingly difficult to think about being completely anonymous.”

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  27. tosmarttobegop

    I went on a rant on that other blog and thought you might enjoy it here too:

    We were dismissing a great deal with the thought that Bush was protecting us. Now we have a drive to correct the names on the terrorist watch list because several Americans are on it and can not buy a firearm because of them being on the list. At the time any concerns were dismissed as the complainer was soft on terrorists, un-American and unpatriotic.

    Many times when I expressed concerns about the negating of the Constitution, Domestic spying and the programs it was said if you do not have anything to hide then why are you worrying? When Mike Hayden went before the Congress and demanded that the Bush Administration should be able to spy on Americans without any restrictions or need to seek approval of a judge or Congress. Many said oh they only mean foreigners and suspected terrorists. Then why did he say Americans?

    That is what is curious to me, I am watchful of Obama as I am of any President in general.
    But why was not such accusation that are being made about Obama not being made about Bush?
    So far there is nothing in black and white that states Obama is wanting to suspend the Right of Americans.
    The same could not have been said of G.W. Bush, The paradox is mystifying?

  28. David B

    Speech to Congress to drop the public option??

  29. As usual The Votemaster had a good article on whether the public option could survive. You’ll want to read it all, but here is a

    — snip —

    “Now that two of the three Republicans Senate Finance Committee chairman Sen. Max Baucus (D-MT) picked to negotiate with over health care (Sen. Michael Enzi and Sen. Chuck Grassley) have basically said they don’t want reform and are just trying to kill what they consider a bad bill, Democrats are looking at other options. One obvious one is to try to find a couple of other Republicans to negotiate with, but there are not likely to be many takers.

    Then what? Using the reconciliation process is getting more attention, as it requires only 50 votes plus Joe Biden and cannot be filibustered. TPM has an interesting story on this option. In short, only bills with a major impact on the federal budget are allowed in reconciliation. So to qualify easily, the bill would need a robust public option that puts a lot of pressure on insurance companies and would lower health care costs. Liberals could go for that. The trouble is that conservative Democratic senators, such as Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE), Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-AR), and Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA), might bolt. If more than 10 Democrats and independents refused to sign on, the bill wouldn’t get the necessary 50 votes. But if the public option were weakened to get enough votes, it might not qualify for reconciliation.”