Wednesday, 08/19/09, Public Square


National Aviation Day, August 19, celebrates the myriad of amazing contributions, inventions, and developments leading to and resulting from human flight.

The observance was established by a presidential proclamation in 1939, which designated the anniversary of Orville Wright’s birthday to be National Aviation Day.

Ok, you who reside in Wichita Kansas — designated the Air Capital of the World — did you know about this national observance?  I didn’t.  Somehow I think if you live in this city you should know such a thing!  For those who don’t live in this fair city, more aircraft are manufactured here than any other city.  It is the backbone of our economy (slightly bent outta shape right now, maybe it’s scoliosis).  As far as flying into or out of the Air Capital — forget it!  Limited airlines service the small city, and I don’t think you can fly anywhere but maybe Kansas City nonstop.  Oh, and Atlanta, because AirTran does provide service and their hub is in Atlanta.

What’s shaking with you today?



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33 responses to “Wednesday, 08/19/09, Public Square

  1. I think I’ll try to make a paper airplane that will fly a long way — ya know, just to celebrate.

    One more day of lions, tigers, bears (and worse!). There really are beasties in this world. Today can’t be as long a day as yesterday so hopefully I won’t get as tired. Terrible to be so wiped out you can’t catch up with friends!

  2. Interesting that, I wonder if the restrictions applicable to flights in and out of Wichita (nice name) are an indicator of what’s going wrong economically, in general. Like a microcosm thingy.

    Wichita shows us the root flaw?

  3. jammer5

    Amazing how the Air Capital of the world ignores so much associated with it: Baseball world series; major bowling event (remember how they cried a river over losing it because of their lack of caring?); National Aviation Day. Taking things for granted can turn around and bite one in nefarious places.

  4. tosmarttobegop

    Preaching to the choir, watching the cable news shows and seeing the opinions and information that is repeated. Cons do not watch MSNBC and Libs do not watch Fox to a great extent. If either do it always end in the conclusion that all that is being said it is lies.
    I watch Fox rarely, I have never heard them dispel the Kill granny crap. Though the other cable news often make attempt to dispel it. The only host on Fox that has made a half hearted attempt was Shepard Smith.

    My point is that we often operate in totally different realities, based on our own belief of reality.
    MSNBC is not guilt-less as I have seen Count-down also show a distorted view of reality at times.

    • Have to agree on Countdown. I agree with Keith’s point of view, but the tone and the extent the show goes to to make its points has started to approach the level of the Fox folks he tries to counter at the other end of the spectrum.

      I just think you counter extremes like those spouted by Fox with simple truth, not return bombast.

  5. tosmarttobegop

    In response on the other blog:
    Agnatha she does have a point though, President Obama has lost the message war.
    So many of the points made against the reform are factually wrong.
    A amendment that states that insurance companies and health care providers need to establish a better way of electronically transferring money between themselves. Got turned into something about the Government getting access to your private bank account. Several people still believe the distortion even when the amendment does not say anything about citizens bank accounts.

    Kill granny is still flowing around even though all cable news station except for Fox have totally dispel it daily. Even when asked to explain how the amendment that is in plain and simple English could be seen as a plot to kill the elderly. And the explanations turn out to be more like “Well that is how we would do it if we were doing it”. Obama seems to not get a handle on it, the surest sign he has lost the message war.
    When the public is believing the distortions over what they can see with their own eyes.
    Obama really is failing at handling it.

  6. lilacluvr

    Do you think Obama is failing in the health care debate because he is wanting bipartisanship too much?

    Or is it because he has possibly sold out to backroom deals with pharmaceutical companies, doctors, hospitals and health insurance companies?

    • tosmarttobegop

      Yes to both, reality is that it does not matter what is in the bill. The mass majority of the Republicans will not vote for it. But Obama also knows if it is a total failure without the Reps.
      The damage done will effect both him and the party. And fact of the matter, any future Minority President.

      Also he has been trying to have his cake and eat it too with the insurance and drug companies.

      • lilacluvr

        Do you think there is anything that will bring Republicans to the point of health care reform?

        Or do they want this to be Obama’s downfall and they can swoop into power and take us into the next war for profit?

  7. lilacluvr

    As for watching Fox News – I have tried a few times and I just cannot sit there and listen to all their whining, complaining and nastiness about Obama.

    When Bush was in office, I could not sit there and listen to all their adoration and glorification of what I saw as the most secretive and destructive administration.

    Fox News does appeal to a certain type of person – and being a simple mind is the #1 requirement – in my opinion.

    • tosmarttobegop

      I forced myself to watch the entire broadcast of O’Reilly last night. I am with you though, I can not stand to watch more then five minutes of any of Fox.

  8. annie moose

    big snip


    The marketplace in which most commerce takes place today is not a pre-existing condition of the universe. It’s not nature. It’s a game, with very particular rules, set in motion by real people with real purposes. That’s why it’s so amazing to me that scientists, and people calling themselves scientists, would propose to study the market as if it were some natural system — like the weather, or a coral reef.

    It’s not. It’s a product not of nature but of engineering. And to treat the market as nature, as some product of purely evolutionary forces, is to deny ourselves access to its ongoing redesign. It’s as if we woke up in a world where just one operating system was running on all our computers and, worse, we didn’t realize that any other operating system ever did or could ever exist. We would simply accept Windows as a given circumstance, and look for ways to adjust our society to its needs rather than the other way around.

    It is up to our most rigorous thinkers and writers not to base their work on widely accepted but largely artificial constructs. It is their job to differentiate between the map and the territory — to recognize when a series of false assumptions is corrupting their observations and conclusions. As the great interest in the arguments of Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Sam Harris, and Christopher Hitchens shows us, there is a growing acceptance and hunger for thinkers who dare to challenge the widespread belief in creation mythologies. That it has become easier to challenge the supremacy of God than to question the supremacy of the market testifies to the way any group can fall victim to a creation myth — especially when they are rewarded to do so.

    Too many technologists, scientists, writers and theorists accept the underlying premise of our corporate-driven marketplace as a precondition of the universe or, worse, as the ultimate beneficiary of their findings. If a “free” economy of the sort depicted by Chris Anderson or Clay Shirky is really on its way, then books themselves are soon to be little more than loss leaders for high-priced corporate lecturing. In such a scheme how could professional writers and theorists possibly escape biasing their works towards the needs of the corporate lecture market? It’s as if the value of a theory or perspective rests solely in its applicability to the business sector.

    • tosmarttobegop

      A lot of it is human nature and that is the only nature about it. I tried my stint at Corperate life. Not for me, I just could not accept the thought of:
      There will always be another child play.

      If your spouse complains you spend too much time with your boss. Leave them, they do not complain about spending the money. And they will be no good for your career.

    • jammer5

      Ayn Rand anyone?

  9. lilacluvr

    My husband did the corporate ladder thing for 15 yrs. We were transferred around the country, at their whim, and he was expected to jump at a moment’s notice.

    My husband quit the rat race when our son was 14yrs old. We both felt it was time we devoted our lives to the kids and ourselves – rather than some faceless, ungrateful corporation that only believes in money.

    My husband’s salary came down to $30,000/yr from $75,000/yr with a company car. What a shock!!! I went back to work to help with the transition.

    But, you know what, it was the best thing my husband ever did. We learned to live with what we had and we found we enjoyed it much more than before.

    Life is too short to be trapped on that corporate ladder that goes nowhere but to being expendable.

  10. David B

    The health care reform program is not failing… not to worry.

    • lilacluvr

      I wonder if some or all of this debate fiasco is just political theatre and political posturing?

      Republicans know there will be some sort of health care reform passed – and they are wanting to appear that they put up the good fight for the cause of God, Flag, Democracy and Mom’s apple pie?

  11. tosmarttobegop

    A certain amount would be Political theater, to put it bluntly though I wonder if anything of the theatric will be remembered in four years. If someone in your personal life were to speak to you that way or treat you that way. You would remember but for many the political theater is nothing they perceive as personal.
    That it has no effect upon their lives, they just blindly trust that those in Government will not do anything that would be bad for them.

    In a sense that is why our form of Government works for us, elect them and leave them alone.
    We elect them to worry about things we do not want to be worrying about. Then trust they will do what we want them to. It is only us Political hacks that every waking hour pull our hair out and scream into the wind at the unjust and idiotic.

  12. David B

    The Rs only want to bloody President Obama and the Democrats politically. Everything else is secondary.

  13. wicked

    Don’t get me started on the lack of flights out of Wichita. After hearing that there was a slight possibility of Southwest buying Frontier, I checked Frontier’s prices and flights to Nashville. Oh, I can fly to Nashville on Frontier, but first I fly from Wichita to Denver (Frontier’s hub), then to Nashville. Cost? Over $400. I’ll rent a car and drive at less than that.

    I wasn’t aware AirTran flew direct to Atlanta. Or maybe I was. I was looking into a flight there in 2006. Oh, I could get there…for some ungodly amount. I didn’t go. In fact, that’s the reason I don’t go to many of the conferences I’d like to attend. Well, that and the price of hotel rooms.

    I flew from Wichita to NYC in 2003, the best price even from KC or OKC. It cost me just over $200, with taxes and fees included.

  14. The place I fly to most often is Boston and I can usually get there for a little over $200 (always less than $250).

  15. 1 Australian dollar = 0.8286 U.S. dollars

    Guess it would cost me a tiny bit less, but still that’s a bunch for airline travel!

    The problem with traveling far away is more than the cost, it’s sitting in that uncomfortable cramped space for hours. 😦 I’m not able to afford first class.

    • Oh and the higher probability of friggin crashing!
      I hate planes, hate flying, hate those reclining seats, hate those little sausages and eggs for breakie, hate plastic cutlery, hate the hard bread rolls, hate the overhead lights, hate the air sick bags which doubles as a donation pouch, hate the inflight magazine (especially when some other clown has attempted and failed the sudoku), hate the seat belt sign warning, hate the little strip of lights on the floor of the aisle that will assist you in a case of an emergency, hate “this is the captain speaking”, hate the descend, hate the takeoff, hate the noise the wheels make when they retract, hate having to wait for the movies to be programmed, hate being the last to get the arm rest, hate being the last to put my luggage in overhead compartment, hate not having a pen to fill out customs oh and of course I hate customs and those obnoxious sniffer dogs who forever sit next to my bags!

      • Loon, tell us about your feelings toward air travel. Is it something you look forward to, make excuses to travel even when you have no need? 🙂

        Living on an island and all… Guess it is a large island.

  16. David B

    Here’s a list of places you can fly direct:
    Las Vegas
    Los Angeles
    Dallas / Ft Worth
    St. Louis

    • Ah hah! I was wrong again — you can’t fly direct to Kansas City from Wichita, at least not in an airplane.

      Seriously, David. Thanks for the info. Looking at the list you provided I do recognize the ‘change of plane’ locations on the way to where I really want to go.

  17. wicked

    And these are the places I want to fly in the future.

    Atlanta (Hey, we have a winner! Too bad the airfare is outrageous.)
    San Antonio
    San Diego

  18. A few years ago I was going somewhere eastbound and could get about the same schedule and cost with two airlines, the plane change for one was Chicago and the other Minneapolis. Having been in O’Hare it seemed a no brainer to ticket through Minneapolis.

    Have you seen that airport in Minneapolis!? It’s huge, it’s a big city unto intself! You can be miles from your connecting gate!

    Live and learn.

    • wicked

      I flew to Chicago from KC in 1999 with a couple of friends. No connecting flights, so we didn’t have that hassle. I can’t remember if there weren’t any flights out of Wichita, or if it was cheaper to fly out of KC.