Obama: A Transformative President?

obama_smoking[1]Obama may be smoking from the bistering attacks he has been receiving recently from formerly adoring editorial writers.  See this from the WashPo and this from the NYTimes editorial staff.  Word that the “public option” may not be necessary for health care reform has progressives everywhere, hopping mad.  The chattering class are wondering out loud if 44th president has the ability to do anything but concede and bend over backward to achieve consensus.  Is it true that Obama will opt to seek consensus even when doing so compromises his policies and promises?

Mr president, the time to fight for health care reform is not in September, instead this iron should be struck TODAY.  Remember, Mr. President,  in September you’re going have to start figuring out what you’re going to do about Guantanamo to meet your self-imposed deadline.  You don’t strike me as the kind of student who decides to start studying the night before the final.  Don’t put everything off until September.

I have started questioning in the last week, will Obama turn out t0 be greater disappointment than Clinton, than Carter?  If he fails he will be a far greater disappointment than either of the preceding democratic presidents – Obama was supposed to be a “trasformative” president.  He still has time to start acting like one.

iggy donnelly

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27 responses to “Obama: A Transformative President?

  1. lilacluvr

    I heard somewhere that Obama is going to allow the public option to be taken out of the Senate bill but the House bill will have one and then in reconciliation, the public option will be put back in and then it gets passed with a simple majority vote.

    This may be just blog rumor but I guess I can see that happening – if they are not sure they are going to get the votes to begin with.

    I know Obama would like all Americans to be able to put aside political differences and work together, but exactly how can Obama even think of working with people who have called him every name in the book?

    Republicans have been vicious, vile, nasty, rude, obnoxious and downright unpatriotic, in my opinion.

    At what point does Obama simply say enough is enough?

  2. Trip to the Outhouse

    I wrote this for my own blog, but seeing the topic, I thought I could slide it in:

    This topic hasn’t been one I’ve written much about before, but when I see them on TV, I just wonder what country I am living in. How did so many get so crazy and so uninformed that they will say anything, especially the completely disrespectful slogans and images about the President.

    Even though many Americans disagreed with Bush’s policies and, in particular, going to war in Iraq and its continuance thereafter, GWB was never treated in such a disrespectful way. I’ve heard conservative pundits and blog writers say the liberals did that to Bush, but I’ve been paying close attention to politics for quite awhile, and if someone can give evidence that Bush was treated in such a way, I’d like to see it.

    These people have been angry and now egged on by conservative lobbyist groups, as well as Republicans in Congress, have become more emboldened, even carrying guns to these meetings and protests.

    They keep crying out all of the nasty Nazi stuff, but what I see is that they are acting more like some in Germany did pre-World War II, spewing out hatred and vile slogans.

    What gets me is how did so many people in this country get to be so dumb and uninformed? If they would just read a bit, they would know that the claims they are making about what the health care bill would do (i.e. promoting euthanasia) are completely beyond the pale.

    And when they do go to these town hall meetings, they don’t seem to want really ask questions to find out what the program would do, they just want to be vile and nasty. Some Republicans and other conservatives are praising this, saying that these people are exercising their right to free speech.

    It looks to me, though, that these people have been taking lessons from Fred Phelps and his family in being mean and nasty.

    I think there are very few people in this country who can look at all this nastiness, and say, “Oh, they make me proud to be an American.”

    Proud, no–embarrassed for my country is more like it.

    Finally, though, Rep. Barney Frank from Massachusetts did and said what others should have been doing all along, and many of us have wondered why it hasn’t been done before.

    All I can say is, “You tell ’em, Barney!’

    Watch it:

    • tosmarttobegop

      I just wonder what country I am living in. How did so many get so crazy and so uninformed that they will say anything, especially the completely disrespectful slogans and images about the President.

      Trip I have been wondering what country I live in since 2003. Really since the marriage amendment vote here in Kansas. since I have been dumbfounded about the reality I am seeing in the Country and State.
      Years ago my Aunt asked me if I every felt like a alien dropped on the Earth? Oddly yes I did, at times it feels as if I am not even the same species as many. I can not understand their thought processes, in what realm of reality do they live in?

      • lilacluvr

        You all realize the only thing the Republicans probably will have to say about this confrontation is the fact that Barney Frank is gay.

        That is their buzz word for all Republicans to circle the wagons when they are attacked and they have no logic in their argument.

        That’s their strategy – let’s change the subject to Barney being gay and maybe no one will notice that what Barney said was true and we Republicans are full of sh_t.

    • wicked

      Well, dang! You beat me to it.

      Barney can always be counted on to tell it like it is. Go, Barney!!

  3. “like arguing with a dining room table…” That’s kind of insulting to dining room tables I have known.

  4. annie moose

    Obama seems like a great guy but,

    What’s changed?
    War in middle east
    Banking regulations
    Economy
    Pork laden stimulus bills
    Corporate welfare
    Patriot Act

    As far as the nazi stuff at town hall meetings remember the cons controlled their meetings with loyalty pledges and CGIed photos.

    Plus the cons don’t forget things so easy

    Dems need to get their stuff together or look for more 3rd party revivals.

    • lilacluvr

      In all fairness, Obama has only been in office for 6 months. It seems like we expect the guy to fix everything overnight. It took a long time for us to get in the mess – it will take more than 6 months to get us out.

  5. tosmarttobegop

    Christian Science Monitor
    A health insurance lawyer takes on industry scare tactics

    Madison, Wis. – If knowledge is power, then it sure seems that the players involved with healthcare reform are doing their best to ensure an ignorant populace, vulnerable to manipulation by fear and political trash talking. Now President Obama appears to be bowing under pressure from the fearful public, willing to drop the idea of government-run insurance as part of a new healthcare system.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20090818/cm_csm/yfreiberg

  6. annie moose

    With out single pay option in health care reform

  7. jammer5

    In health care politics, down is up, right is left and the sun rises each morning in the West. When lawmakers try to be frugal with taxpayers’ money, their actions are labeled as Big Government intruding. When they try to bring some compassion to end-of-life issues, uncontroversial until it was included in a medical proposal, they’re accused of promoting euthanasia. And when they ignore the unsustainable amounts of public money pouring into a broken system, they call themselves pro-market.

    This last illusion was illustrated in 2003 when Congress, then under Republican control, passed a Medicare drug benefit estimated to cost about $500 billion over a decade. Even though every dime was taxpayers’ money, the government was barred from using its clout to negotiate the most advantageous deals with pharmaceutical companies. Borrowing trillions from future generations was OK. Trying to get taxpayers the most for their money was not.
    More at: http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2009/08/debate-on-health-care-our-view-dispute-over-public-option-.html#more

  8. annie moose

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/13/internal-memo-confirms-bi_n_258285.html

    A memo obtained by the Huffington Post confirms that the White House and the pharmaceutical lobby secretly agreed to precisely the sort of wide-ranging deal that both parties have been denying over the past week.

    The memo, which according to a knowledgeable health care lobbyist was prepared by a person directly involved in the negotiations, lists exactly what the White House gave up, and what it got in return.

    It says the White House agreed to oppose any congressional efforts to use the government’s leverage to bargain for lower drug prices or import drugs from Canada — and also agreed not to pursue Medicare rebates or shift some drugs from Medicare Part B to Medicare Part D, which would cost Big Pharma billions in reduced reimbursements.

  9. lilacluvr

    Exactly at what point did our country become enslaved to Big Business?

    Has it always been that way and I didn’t realize it or has it been a gradual entrapment?

    • tosmarttobegop

      It was in the early 1900s, with the industrial revolution, until then most Americans depended on themselves for everyday things. If you needed a new chair for the dining room, you made it or had a local craftsman do it. The big business even went to disciples of Freud to get advise on how to get people to buy more.
      Tobacco saw a increase in sales if they could convince women to start smoking. But it was not socially acceptable. Some women did smoke at the time, but never in public.

      It was shortly after Freud came out with his theory of Penis envy, so his disciple came up with the plan of making smoking cigarettes as a sign of women’s freedom. i.e. in a sense it was like they had their own penis and equal of a man. They hired several of the rich debutantes to march in a major parade in NYC.
      At a signal they were to all put a cigarette out and light up, smoking while walking in the parade.
      It worked and soon women were smoking in public and sales of tobacco increased.

      Similar tactics were used to convince the public to stop the practice of only wanting what they needed.
      To being gluteus, instead of only having one car you could have two and the like.

  10. tosmarttobegop

    Most of the healthcare proposals in Congress call for “guaranteed issue” that would entitle everyone to coverage regardless of health, an elimination or reduction of preexisting condition limitations, and limits on premium costs and increases.

    These are concessions the insurance industry is willing to make in return for an individual mandate – a requirement that every American obtain insurance. Such a mandate assures the companies that it won’t only be the sick they are insuring – healthy young people will have to buy insurance so the risk can be spread around. It makes sense

    • lilacluvr

      That does make sense because I believe everybody should be able to contribute something to their health care needs.

  11. lilacluvr

    But if buying insurance is mandated, then wouldn’t that be government intrusion?

    Or is it only intrusion when our political opponents propose it?

  12. tosmarttobegop

    Yes, the one thing that turned my oldest off on the Republicans and onto Obama was he said that the Reps wanted to tell everyone how to live and what to do.

    He is also one of those young people they talked about that does not have health insurance. Seeing it as a unneeded expense. He is contract labor and no company provided insurance, the cost of a single plan is almost as much as he makes. He will not be too happy about being told he has to get insurance.

    In a sense I too find it objectionable.
    Though I understand the logic and reasoning. It is still big government intrusion into the citizens private lives. More of the concept that the solution is that not everyone is pulling their share of the weight.
    Instead of it being the rich this time it is now the little person.

  13. tosmarttobegop

    It was said that the downfall of the Clinton attempt was that it was the president setting the rules and guild lines. Cutting out the Congress and therefore it was Clinton’s failure.

    Obama is letting the Congress set the rules and guild lines and that maybe Obama’s failure

    • lilacluvr

      Plus, I think the hatred of Obama by the Repbulicans is much more intense than the hatred of Clinton – or do you not agree?

      I wonder what would happen if Obama just put his foot down and say we’re going through with the original idea of a public option and hell be damned and let the chips fall where they may.

      According to the polling, a large majority approve of the Obama’s health care plan when it is not labeled as the ‘Obama’ plan. So, what does that say?

      And, I must confess, I’d like to see Obama just get in the Republicans’ face and say ‘bring it on’.

  14. lilacluvr

    I know what you mean about your oldest son and having to buy health insurance. And just how do people expect everyone to be able to buy health insurance?

    Take me for example, if my husband loses his health insurance through his job, how many health insurance companies are going to be bidding to get a cancer survivor’s business?

    Even if these health insurance companies are mandated to take everyone – at what price? Will it be affordable or will we have the same system as we have now – the haves and the have nots?

  15. tosmarttobegop

    Plus, I think the hatred of Obama by the Republicans is much more intense than the hatred of Clinton.

    Ahh no, the hatred of Clinton was so intense that if it was said that Bill Clinton was the one who handed Eve the apple it would not have been questioned. I came to have personal reasons for hating President Clinton, but I was taking EVERYTHING said about him as the awful truth. Killed Foster, stole money the list is long. About the only thing I did question or at least excused was the CIA plane landing in Ark with a load of Coke.
    It was said that he got a call from Ron Regan asking him to look the other way.
    I got more upset about the CIA bring drugs in then Clinton’s part in it.

    It has been said that the hatred of Obama is mainly racist, I say no it is mainly because he is a Democrat.

    • wicked

      I think it’s a mix of the two, both based on fear.

      People fear change, even if it’s for the good. I’ll be honest. I hate change, but when I have to and I know it’s for the best, I’ll tamp down the fear and go with whatever it is. But then I’m logical. Those haters aren’t.

  16. I agree wicked. It’s fear. Fear of the unknown. And fear that someone will get something they don’t deserve. Of course, the Republicans know who is deserving.

  17. I’m trying hard to stay positive. It’s like a roller coaster and too often my stomach screams the dips are too much, too often, too fast.

    I was so excited about Obama. Remember. I was a Hillary supporter — I “stood for” her at the Feb. 2008 Kansas caucus. And then he made it a race and he inspired me. I wanted to be inspired. And by the time November came I was pretty much all that the Conservatives deride us with — taken in, ready to follow, blissful that we could be the America that led and was admired and respected. I bought the promises! I had confidence they were reality.

    I don’t want to give up! I still can’t accept that meaningful, helpful — not just patches — health care reform won’t be passed by this Congress! It makes no sense! I can’t find a place for my mind to rest, to accept that the lies and scare tactics can really be bought into by a majority of Americans. We really aren’t that stupid and gullible, are we?

    I remember many years ago when I discovered that a good employee was one who showed up on time regularly. I was almost sick with disappointment. Not much else was needed because the bar was so low due to so many who couldn’t even meet those minimum requirements. It never dawned on me the kind of nonchalance that was standard among employees.

    I was HR and I heard the complaints and the grievances. I remember the day I wanted so badly to say, “That’s why they call it work.” But you know what? Too many don’t have a work ethic they should feel pride in. It really is true there are many who want to be paid but aren’t nearly as interested in doing the job.

    So once again people have disappointed me. And President Obama is just a person. It feels real bad in my stomach.

  18. This coverage has gotten so bad that there was an article in the Washington Post titled At least George W. Bush had Resolve.

    Obama won, he had a majority support. He needs to get used to that. [To borrow a phrase].

  19. In case I wasn’t clear, Obama is entitled to step on some toes, kick some [opposition] asses, and do what he thinks needs to be done.