Chill, health-care reform is still on

party of no on health careI’ve found myself anxious and maybe even a little depressed over the health-care reform debate recently.  I found this article that is titled, “Take a Chill Pill,” and it worked to calm me down just like the author intended.  Now I know all I really need to do for now is make sure Brownback, Roberts and Tiahrt know reform is needed, and expected.  I can do that.  I can do that often.  I can encourage my friends, neighbors and relatives to do that too.  Read this article, it’s like taking a chill pill.  From a place of reason will come reason.

Whatever your leanings, if (like me) you’re hoping for some kind of major health reform this year, the crucial text at this juncture is from Schoolhouse Rock—where that famous old ditty, “I’m Just A Bill,” lays out how a bill becomes a law. We’re at the point in the process where this is literally all that matters. For health reform to happen this year, something has to pass the House, and something has to pass the Senate. It doesn’t matter exactly what those somethings are, or how offensive big chunks of those somethings may be to some of us. Never forget that when the Clintons convulsed the country over health care in 1993 and 1994, these simple Schoolhouse Rock steps never came close to happening. For all the drama back then, nothing came to a vote.

Only after something passes the House and the Senate will the real work begin. The conference committee to hammer out a final, identical bill will be the mother of all summits. That’s where President Obama must weigh in heavily to shape and then sell the outcome. Contrary to all the carping, what he and the White House do before then on the specifics of the legislation doesn’t much matter. The White House’s only job until we get to conference is to shape the climate of opinion with one simple end in mind. Legislators need to get the message that their constituents want “change” on health care, and will punish them for supporting the status quo. The White House’s mission is to be sure that enough legislators feel they cannot safely oppose Obama’s definition of “change.” That’s it.

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17 responses to “Chill, health-care reform is still on

  1. tosmarttobegop

    The biggest problem right now it the “what’s it look like argument” there is nothing to point to but there is the point of contention. There is not public option, there is a public option, they will kill granny, they will not kill granny. The list goes on and the anti’s are making points because no one can counter their claims.
    WHY? Because you can argue their claims are not true but you can not point to anything to counter their claims.

    In a sense the article is right, the soup has not even been put in the bowl. But until then there is so much room to fight it. That by the time the soup is being mixed it has became so distasteful to the public that no one want to try it. It right now is like I say I am going to paint a picture and ask you if you will like it?
    You have no idea what it will look like, what the subject matter will be or whether I will use water colors or oil paint?

    Newtie is on ABC this morning debating Dean and it is not going well. Newt is bring up points that goes outside the lines. And Dean is lost for something to counter Newt subjections. Newt is bring up aspects of what has been suggested. He states that there will be seven new councils set up to revue the medical claims.
    Bogging down the medical claims and ending up with one or more segments of these revues that can deny the claim. Dean stumbled in try to counter it because he did not have a explanation for something that he knew nothing about.

    • There are many places to find information that counters the outrageous claims being made. Yes, there is nothing decided, there are only proposals, but NO PROPOSAL suggests or even hints at the claims being made about health-care reform!

      Here is one site that debunks some of the silliness being presented as a fact:

      http://www.reasic.org/2009/08/debunking-health-care-misinformation/

    • lilacluvr

      All Dean had to say to Newt was – if you wanted to reform health care the ‘right’ way – then why didn’t you and your fellow Republicans attempt to do it when you had all the power?

      As for those 7 councils of review – I’ve not heard that one yet – but, then again, I don’t listen to Rush, Hannity, Beck, O’Reilly or anyone on Fox News.

      I have to wonder if the Republicans’ strategy of shutting down these town hall meetings by shouting, screaming, kicking, shoving and burning effigagy’s (sp?) of their Congressman or those ridiculous pictures of Obama as Hitler or the Joker will work with the general public?

      They may win this battle over health care reform but will the Republicans lose the war come election in 2010? How many Americans really want a mob mentality in control?

      I see the K Street boys, the C Street boys with their Christian Mafia have sent their mob of thugs to go do their dirty work for them and a certain number of Republicans are supporting them but are the true, moderate and common-sense Republicans also supporting these thugs?

      I wonder how many Republicans are sitting on the sidelines shaking their heads in disgust?

      If this mob mentality does not break at some point, then I’m afraid someone is going to be hurt or killed soon. Then maybe we will have another case of the Operation Rescue group with Scott Roeder? Isn’t it ironic that now no one from OR will own up to the fact they even knew this guy?

      Will the same hold true if, God forbid, someone gets shot and killed over these disrupted town halls?

  2. I read the same news stories everyone else reads, see the same news casts and I know the disruptions at town-hall meetings indicate the public wants health care left alone, and see no problem that needs fixing. The news is always going to show us the most spectacular. I wonder if you talked to these people individually how many wouldn’t agree escalating costs need to stop, even with insurance sometimes it costs too much to see a doctor, they’ve stayed at a job or not taken an opportunity to maintain insurance coverage, the cost to society for not ensuring the health of our citizens is great… The list goes on, and I sincerely think most Americans would admit the need for improvement in our health-care system someplace. That’s what health-care reform should be about — improvement.

    All the scare tactics and the misinformation are frightening everyone, even those who are aware of the silliness behind much of it. But bear in mind, most of the rational people who want information, want answers aren’t participating in silliness and realize that brawls and screaming matches make the honest exchange of information impossible. Mob mentality will never produce anything positive.

    I encourage you to contact your elected officials to let them know how you feel about the health care debate. At this point, as the article points out, we only need to let them know basics without the details that will come soon.

  3. Have you all seen this ‘State of the States’ report from Gallup. I understand polls can sometimes reflect what pollsters want them to, yet Gallup is a respected organization and this seems startling. Scroll down and look at the map graphic. Remember the fact of the electoral landslide win last November:

    Obama 365 McCain 173

    The Republican Party seems to be nearly non-existent and at least irrelevant to a national election.

    Political Party Affiliation: 30 States Blue, 4 Red in ’09 So Far

    • No wonder they’re so scared and cranky! If only they could see their behavior detracts from anyone finding something to attract them to the party.

      No ideas, no solutions, no alternate policies, just criticism.

      Nothing that says THIS is what our party would do if we were in power, and it’s much better than THAT which is what you’re being offered.

      • lilacluvr

        But they HAD the power for a long, long time and what they did was run up the deficit, hand out no-bid contracts to their buddies for the war-for-profit, tried to dismantle the Constitution, took all the regulations off so the Wall Street crooks could let their greed run rampant, and overall did a lousy job.

        So, exactly, what COULD they say their policies would be? We have seen their policies and their policies have led us to the mess we are in today.

        In Palin’s own words – Thanks, but no thanks!

      • The Republicans weren’t good at multi-tasking. They were all very busy kissing bush’s ass and we shouldn’t expect there was actually time to address needs of the American people. Plus, always remember — we were (still are) a nation AT WAR!

  4. I don’t know where the notion keeps getting repeated that the republicans didn’t offer their own healthcare plan. It may not be a good one (but then again neither might the dems), but they offered one.

    • I read that four-page outline (that’s what the Republicans called it) when it was released. I will go try to find it and bring it here.

      I do remember it had no details.

      I’m sure each point of the outline will be discussed in the conference committee that reconciles the bills passed by the House and the Senate. The majorities are with the Democratic Party. I’m positive each knows s/he will be graded by the voters on their ‘fix’ to health care so will carefully keep thoughts of getting reelected in any law passed. (Isn’t that what they concentrate on hardest always?)

      Lilac, I agree that if the Republicans intended to have a larger role in reforming health care they should have tackled it when they were in the majority.

      • lilacluvr

        Bearman – where is the Republican’s health care proposal? I’d like to read it for myself.

        And I’m not talking about the 4-page outline – I want the entire proposal.

  5. SWEET SURRENDER….

    In this clever Kos item, Stroszek, responding to “cogent and potent criticisms” from the right, is prepared to offer Republican critics of health care reform a gracious compromise.

    Over the past week, we have seen your passionate protests and heard your concerns about Democratic proposals for health care reform. We have considered your insightful and well reasoned arguments, and on behalf of progressives everywhere, I am here to say: OK! We give up! We are willing to compromise on the proposals that concern you. You’ve won! Yay!

    Yes, in light of the provisions that conservative activists have demanded be removed from any and all legislation, Stroszek is willing to say, without equivocation, that under Democratic reform proposals, “We will not euthanize your grandmother.” Democrats will also agree, among other things, not to let Rahm Emanuel’s brother kill Sarah Palin’s baby, not to nationalize hospitals, not to “provide illegal immigrants with unlimited free health care,” not to eliminate private insurance, and not to establish “a super-secret-awesome health care program for ACORN employees.”

    With these concessions having been made, I trust that we can now move forward on health care reform with a broad, bipartisan consensus. Blue Dogs and Republicans, you can now rest easy knowing that the concerns of the town hall protesters have been met. While the progressive dream of a nation in which old people are slaughtered to pay for the abortions of ACORN-employed illegal immigrants will again have to be deferred, we are willing to settle for a bill without these measures in the name of bipartisanship. Congratulations, Republicans. You’ve won this round.

    The right sure knows how to drive a hard bargain, but I can live with these painful concessions, giving up these long-held liberal goals.

    Compromise is all about give and take, and Democrats, no matter how much they want to euthanize grandmothers or reward ACORN employees, should be prepared to accept these concessions. Republicans, who seem to take these concerns very seriously, should be thrilled.

    Can we pass reform now?
    —Steve Benen

  6. http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/17/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5093897.shtml

    I don’t know how to link to this kind of file, so here is a news article and at the bottom is a click to the four-page document released by the Republican Party as their health-care reform ‘plan.’

    • lilacluvr

      Thanks for the link…..I read what they say they want to do but it is sparse in details as to what they will actually do to achieve these goals.

      I assume when they are talking about not wanting a government beauracrat to be in charge of your health care, that would also pertain to some health insurance beauracrat not being in charge of your health care?

      If they really believe in that logic, then perhaps they need to check out the reality of the current health care system. Without that health insurance beauracrat’s okay, your medical bills are not paid. So, is an insurance beauracrat any better than a government beauracrat – just wondering.

  7. When I think about it, I come to realize that America is divided into 3 belief systems (Liberal / moderate / conservative). These figures are not absolute but seem to be a close representation of the population based on voting and polls taken over the years. Liberals = approximately 30% of the population, Moderates = approximately 40%, and conservative = approximately 30%.

    Using these figures you can see the divide pretty clearly. Conservatives are raising a fuss and trying to convince moderates that the Obama administration isn’t affective and are throwing everything negative they can in the hopes, some of it sticks…they did the same thing to President Clinton only then there was no internet presence and a lot stuck…now it can all be proved or disproved through politfact and other fact checking sites. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/

    Can you see why no one ever get over a 70% approval rating ? Because the opposition has a faithful 30% of the population that will always vote for the party and beleive the party leaders no matter what.

    When they use fear tactics to rally the troops they truely believe what they are being told.

    That means 30% of America believes all the fear mongering being thrown out there. If they get 10-15% of the moderates to join them then they can successfully drop approval ratings down to 55 – 60%. They are being effective when that happens. If approval ratings stay in the mid 60% then they are only having an effect on their own party and no one else.

    All they have left is fear mongering…their voices get louder the less they are heard.

    30% is a lot of ignorant and loud voices…lmao

  8. italco,

    I think you are probably right on. I may not have realized it without you pointing it out, but there are always about 30% who are willing to walk lock-step — right off the cliff if that’s where they’re led. Guess it’s lucky for the Democratic Party that the current nutjobs are more obviously that 30% on the far right.

    I like this sentence: “their voices get louder the less they are heard.” The truth spoken eloquently.