Friday, 07/10/09, Public Square

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42 responses to “Friday, 07/10/09, Public Square

  1. Levi tells media that Palin wants to quit to make more money.
    Sorry citizens, ME FIRST.
    YOU last.

  2. tosmarttobegop

    You know Sekan there is an element that bothers me about Palin is able to make more money being what she is. Perhaps it would be less disturbing if she was a juggling act in the Circus. But being the face and voice for a segment of the civilization does not speak well.

  3. That’s what bothers me the most too, tstb! Voters who find Palin inspirational, capable, someone to look up to.

  4. QnofHrts

    What gets me is that she thinks she can get by on her looks. She spouts whatever and then smiles and winks and suddenly it’s supposed to be all good. yeah ok whatever.

    • wicked

      Sarah will find that the smiling and winking will only go so far, especially as time marches on. A winking 50-year-old isn’t nearly as cute as it was at 20. I guess she has to learn to grow up the hard way.

      A boycott on her book would do her good. 😉

  5. lilacluvr

    Unfortunately, alot of people – even those who don’t like her – will probably buy her book.

    Our society today seems to prop up those who are the least worthy of praise and emulation – don’t you think?

    Sarah Palin is banking on the fact that the economy will tank even further and Obama will get the blame. I think we are already seeing some of that being reflected in the recent polling.

    When Sarah first popped on the national scene – I thought maybe she might be a real threat. But each time she opened her mouth – I knew she would self-destruct.

    Sarah Palin is like my daughter’s first boyfriend – you could dress him up and take him out but don’t dare let him speak because everyone then knew he was an idiot!

    • wicked

      It’s too bad we can’t put everyone in a time machine and let them see what would be happening if Obama had just let the banks and the rest fail. Like dominoes in a row, every bank in the land would have eventually gone down. If the think the Great Depression was bad, imagine what would be if nothing had been done…or Dubya’s term hadn’t expired. Never mind, that’s a nightmare in the making.

      While I don’t agree 100% with what’s been done, I’m convinced doing nothing would have proven disastrous. How many automaker employees would have lost jobs if money hadn’t been given to shore up the companies? Yes, in a sense, they deserve to fail because of their stupidity, but still…

      We can’t go by what’s happening here or what’s happening in California (poor bastids), but the country hasn’t yet gone down the tubes, and in some areas, things are improving. Slowly, but better than not at all or getting worse.

      I don’t toe the party line enough to rah-rah when I think there’s a problem. I’ll speak out when I see wrong, whether it does any good or not.

  6. I might buy Levi’s book, but I already know Sarahs will be a book of lies.

    • Suprisingly, Levi says their relationship is on the mend!
      Book profits must have given them a common cause I guess.

      For the ‘Reality’ show?
      I suggest we make them live with the Osbornes.

      Can’t you see Ozzy and Sarah whipping up sumpin’ in the kitchen together?

      • lilacluvr

        Whipping up sumpin in the kitchen conjurs up so many thoughts – doesn’t it?

        Whatever they are doing – you can bet Sarah is using her honed skills of pageant walking, waving and winking – you betcha!

    • wicked

      When they give the book away for free or for 50 cents at the Art and Book Fair, I might read it. Otherwise, why should I help a kid who couldn’t stay in school get rich?

      The same applies to Sarah Palin. She’ll have to use a co-writer. Can you imagine reading hundreds of pages of incoherent rambling? I can only imagine the pain her ghostwriter or co-writer will endure. And I greatly pity the copy/line editor who has to go through it to correct, line by line

  7. lilacluvr

    Another thought – just who really is Sarah Palin’s devoted supporters – the Religious Right wing of the GOP?

    I don’t think the traditional GOP is all that fond of her. Of course, they will use her for the rock star status to bring in the money but how will they control her mouth?

    Seems to me, the GOP has a big problem on their hands – again.

    Now wouldn’t it be something if Palin was found out to be one of those women that Sanford ‘crossed the line’ with that he referred to during one of his many tearful explanations of his affair? I remember, Palin and Sanford became rather chummy there during their united front to refuse the federal stimulus money.

    Politics does make for interesting theatre – doesn’t it?

    • wicked

      Sarah already has one marital indescretion that’s known. And where there’s a little fire, there’s usually a huge blaze.

  8. I honestly thought the election of George Bush, was an aberration. Now I think it might actually be true that Republicans have so “dumbed down” their party that it may be beyond any hope of recovery.

    When Rove riled up the religious right, got them interested in politics by lying to them — we’ll make abortions illegal again — he got bush the lesser elected and stuck his party with these crazed zealots. These are the kinds of people who honestly think the earth is less than 10,000 years old. They aren’t smart people.

    • lilacluvr

      Actually, the 2000 election should have been protested like the Iranian election recently.

      For all those Republicans wanting Obama to step into that Iranian election mess, I asked a few of them on that other blog – what would they have done if Iran had stuck their nose into the 2000 US election?

      After all, that election did look like it was also ‘fixed’ but yet if anyone from any foreign country would have tried to put their nose into our election – the Republicans would have been the first ones to bitch.

      Not a single one of them addressed the issue – instead, they all accused me of being a Bush hater.

      Being dumb is one thing, but being ignorant and proud of it, is something else.

    • wicked

      Hense the word “sheeple”. They should all step into Orwell’s 1984 and live there for eternity. Hey, do you think that’s what hell will be like for them?

      • lilacluvr

        I don’t know about hell for them but it would be hell for me if I had to live in that group for any length of time!

        Their sanctimonius, pious attitude makes me glad I don’t believe in their particular brand of God.

  9. I also thought the truly evil men who wanted military dominance knew well bush the lesser’s limitations and planned to use them. I think they did that, but at the same time the smart people wised up and won’t be so easily used again. The ones who are still clinging to their guns, and those clinging to hopes that roe v wade will be overturned are the only ones still fooled. These are, of course, the same stupid people who see their marriage threatened by all adults having equal rights.

    Makes no sense, but they have no sense.

    • If nobody is speaking to me, should I just move on?

      • lilacluvr

        I wonder if Sarah Palin is not thinking of forming her own political party with her devoted supporters? With all the millions she will be making from her book deal and the speaking circuit, she will have a good base to jump from – wouldn’t she? And, I think, she has the backing of Rupert Murdoch – so is anything possible?

        This sounds insane, I know, but doesn’t it sound just like a ‘mavericky’ thing to do?

    • wicked

      I truly believe the plan was to put Jeb in the WH, but not until after George the First’s second term. When Clinton won that election, they were shocked and had to regroup. That brought in Ken Starr, who was paid to dig and dig (and possibly choreograph a Tripp, um, trap?) for revenge.

      But Jeb’s a bit brighter than brother Dubya. He didn’t want anything to do with puppeteering, so Dubya became the Howdy Doody for the party elite. They were desperate enough to do whatever necessary to get him in office…and they did, twice.

      None of this is new. As I said, several of the original Bush admins (both of them) were involved during JFK’s short term. That in itself raises the bar of suspicion for me.

      All we can do is keep throwing monkeywrenches into the works, and maybe some of the sheeple will wise up. Then again, maybe not. 😦

  10. lilacluvr

    corr: ‘is not thinking’ should be ‘is thinking’.

    Palin being a maverick has been her calling card and nothing Palin would do or say would surprise me at this point in time.

  11. wicked

    The only Maverick’s I ever liked were Brett and Bart.

  12. Weird name association.

    PALIDAN
    Have Gun Will Travel.

  13. lilacluvr

    sekan – make that an AK-47 wearing a bikini made out of the flag?

    Yeah – Palin’s a ‘real American’. You betcha!~

  14. lilacluvr

    Just heard MSNBC discussing Levi’s upcoming book and how the Palin camp is dismissing it as fiction.

    As if Sarah’s would be the next Gospel to be inserted in the Holy Bible?

    • wicked

      Oh, good grief.

      Not that Levi doesn’t have a right to tell “his” story, but this is getting to the point of being uber-ridiculous. Oh, well, let him have his extra 15 minutes of fame. It’s all he’ll have in his old age.

  15. Trip to the Outhouse

    So do Kansans know this is where Brownback lives in Washington, D.C.?

    From the site Counterpunch comes this post “C Street Band”

    By NIKOLAS KOZLOFF :
    http://www.counterpunch.org/kozloff07102009.html
    Here are just a few excerpts:
    “As the Republican Party implodes the public is becoming aware of a secretive Christian society known as the Family or the Fellowship. The group was founded in 1935 in opposition to FDR’s New Deal and its adherents subscribe to a far right Christian fundamentalist and free market ideology. A minister named Abraham Vereide founded the Family after having a vision in which God visited him in the person of the head of the United States Steel Corporation (no, I’m not making this up). The Family has a connection to house on C Street in Washington, D.C., known simply as C Street. Officially registered as a church, the building serves as a meeting place and residence for conservative politicians.”

    “C Street’s stately red brick, $1.1 million building is subsidized by secretive religious organizations and is located a mere stone’s throw away from the Capitol. Lawmakers who live there include Reps. Zach Wamp, R-Tenn.; Bart Stupak, D-Mich.; Jim DeMint, R-S.C.; Mike Doyle, D-Pa.; and Sens. John Ensign, R-Nev., Tom Coburn, R-Oklahoma, and Sam Brownback, R-Kan. The lawmakers, all Christians, live in private rooms upstairs and pay an incredibly low rent — a paltry $600 — to live at C Street. ”

    So this is where Coburn found out about Ensign’s affair. What about Brownback? And what is really going on? Were these guys involved in the obvious hush-up money being paid, both during and after the affair?

    Read the article; there’s more.

    • I did a post on this place several days back, here:

      https://iggydonnelly.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/the-american-theocracy-residence/

      But, I don’t remember even then knowing that Brownback lives there — it doesn’t surprise me, but I think that’s new info. Sounds silly to say “I think maybe…” about something I should be able to remember, doesn’t it? If you had my memory chip you’d understand. All I have to squeeze in is where the info is, not what it is. 🙂

      I’ll have to start worrying when I forget where it’s written down.

    • Trip, did you know it looks pretty likely this religious zealot idiot Brownback will be the next governor of Kansas? Truly a nutcase, and Kansans will vote him in because he speaks for God, don’t you know.

    • wicked

      Hmmmm, sounds almost like Opus Dei’s place. I wonder if there’s any connection. I don’t want to take a guess at what goes on in those private rooms.

  16. MoJo’s commentary on the U.S. war on its own citizens:

    http://www.motherjones.com/toc/2009/07/editors-note

    • wicked

      As I’ve said many times, put “War on–” in front of any noun, and you know it’s going to get bigger, not die out.

      I’m not a pot smoker, but I believe it’s less harmful than all the things listed in the article. I believe if we can rehabilitate early, we take care of many problems, the main one the over-crowding of our jails.

      But someone(s) out there are making tons building more jail cells, and we all know there are those on both sides of the aisle of Congress who benefit.

      Pitiful. Just pitiful.

  17. lilacluvr

    Why do Christian conservative groups like these seem to all be so secretive? The Bush Administration was one of the most secretive administrations we’ve ever had and they were all the time thumping their Bibles and looking down their noses at the rest of us.

    I heard this C Street group being discussed on the Rachel Maddow show tonight and that preacher of theirs is a real whack job.

    They believe in Biblical capitalism and he made quite a few references to Hitler???? This leader, David Coe (?), was also reported to have told these men in this so-called church that they are to be loyal to the group, even to the extent of excluding their families – if it came down to that.

    And this is Christian love? When Jesus ever belong to a secretive fraternity house that believed in using the Bible to amass wealth?

    I swear, these Republican Conservative Christians must worship an entirely different God than I know.

  18. wicked

    I missed the June 19 show of Real Time with Bill Maher. I saw it tonight.

    The “extra” guest was Meghan McCain. (Sorry if I spelled her first name wrong.) She’s 24, and although I do think she has some grey matter under that blonde hair (and a heart under the big knockers), her thinking leaves a lot to be desired, much like many 24-year-olds.

    But what I’ve found I really enjoy more and more each week is at the end of the show, after “New Rules”, when Bill goes on a rant. Tonight he nailed it, as he has often done recently. The gist of it was that the Democrats are no longer liberals, they are just to the left of right. The real liberals are left to find their own way through the muck of what we now call politics.

    You need evidence? Health care. Decriminalization of marijuana. Allowing same sex marriage. Letting women choose what is done to their bodies. Conservation i.e. going green. And on and on and on. Who out there in “our party” is seeing that these things get done? Anybody? Obama isn’t.

    So do the liberals start their own party or do we stand up and let our voices be heard that WE WANT THOSE WE PUT IN CONGRESS TO GROW A PAIR AND BE THE REPRESENTATIVES WE EXPECTED THEM TO BE AND NEED THEM TO BE?