I really can’t repeat some of the stuff going around the web about this sweetheart of the conservative Bible belt bunch. I can repeat her proud position on giving our children free lunches during the summer. NO. You make them lazy and enable welfare queens. That’s the short version. Here’s some snippits.
“Can’t they get a job during the summer by the time they are 16? Hunger can be a positive motivator. What is wrong with the idea of getting a job so you can get better meals? Tip: If you work for McDonald’s, they will feed you for free during your break. […] It really is all about increasing government spending, which means an increase in taxes for us to buy more free lunches and breakfasts.” Cynthia Davis (R)- Missouri
I wonder if Cynthia has a freakin’ clue what the working poor in Missouri cities go through just to make it through the week? Don’t we all know at least one or two hardworking parents who have latchkey kids at home for summer?
So you’re a single parent who hasn’t effectively had a raise in decades. All the wealth has migrated upwards for the last 30 years. You have three kids, 15, 10 and 8. There’s now way you can afford to have daycare for them all, so the teenager babysits. Isn’t it great that they can all walk down to the school and have lunch? APPARENTLY NOT! See sweet Cynthia’s views below:
FEEDING KIDS = EVIL SOCIALISM
There lot’s more BillO and RushBo thinking right here: http://cynthiadavis.net/PDFs/cpr090604_Summer_Food_Program.htm
SCROLL TO THE BOTTOM AND NOTICE THE ‘LAZY’ JOKE…right before you hit the button to send her your comments. ~sekanblogger
PrairiePopulistsAndProgressives.net 
Sekan –
Seriously, who’s responsibility is it to feed the children we have. There is already government assistance for those who cannot or do not make enough money to feed their families. The assumption that the government is the only way these children will get to eat is yet another attempt to hook more people into the system that is becoming more and more of a burden on those of us who refuse to be hooked and playing on our emotions in order to do so.
I am just a taxpayer, but sometimes I wish our liberal leaders would have the same compassion for those of us from whom they take as they do those of us to whom they give. Until they do, their ‘generosity’ will continue to be seen by those burdened ‘need’ for more OPM as nothing more than vote pandering from the many at the expense of the few.
Splash,
This is hardly a Liberal, Conservative, or political problem. It’s a humanitarian problem. With unemployment running into the 10% and more in many places, and hard working parents unable to provide for their children, what would you have them do, stop the government programs? I hardly call the need for healthy food getting hooked on government assistance. Used as a crutch to get through hard times, yes, it’s needed.
I have no problem having my tax dollars going for such programs, and find politicians, who think it distasteful to help those in need, to be on the lower end of the scale. Cynthia Davis (R)- Missouri fits that to a ‘T’. Having lived in Missouri for many years, I can think of no reason why I would have ever voted for her.
“Until they do, their ‘generosity’ will continue to be seen by those burdened ‘need’ for more OPM as nothing more than vote pandering from the many at the expense of the few.”
Could you be a bit clearer there? “those burdened ‘need’ for OPM (other peoples money)?” Are you trying to say those who use the system to help feed their kids are going to become addicted to the system? That’s been proven false time and time again.
” nothing more than vote pandering from the many at the expense of the few.” That hardly makes sense. Tax dollars pay for government projects, so how is it at the expense of the few? And what, exactly, does any of it have to do with ‘vote pandering’? Humanitarian efforts are now considered vote pandering? Get real.
I don’t think anyone thinks it is not their responsibility to feed their own kids. You know what, I’ll even take that back. Those folks exist. They are however, the minority of the minority.
Hook people into the system? Seriously, that’s what’s being done? Because my experience with folks getting help is that the vast majority can’t wait to get out of the system. They definitely are not running toward it.
I work in an area of my town that has been the wrong side of the tracks for years. Still every day at 5 am, lights come on and those folks go to work. Their kids go to school, and they all scrape to get by. Splash, odds are you never see those people, though they’re all around you. Their kids don’t hassle yours.
Unfortunately, the minority who don’t take responsibility provide sufficient example to the extreme right wing to oppose assisting anyone who is not in a position to provide for themselves. They are the ones you do see, the ones who get deservedly negative attention. Yes there is waste. Yes there is fraud. It just doesn’t make sense to me to cut off the majority who work hard, play by the rules just to spite those who don’t.
No idea where you work, but I do know that whatever comfort level you’ve attained can be lost in a heartbeat. The percentage of what “they take” from you is tiny compared to the effect it has on those “to whom they give”.
As to people who refuse to be hooked by playing on their emotions, how dare you assume to speak for anyone else’s opinions or how they are formed. Mine are grounded in what I see in my 25 year career and time spent in peoples neighborhoods and homes. The spiteful thing to do would be to speculate on where yours come from, but I’ll just ask…
::applause:: Make that ::standing applause::.
This idea that it is a hardship for a teenager to ask him/her to care for the younger siblings is a modern day ill. I grew up in Missouri and Arkansas with two working parents and two younger siblings. From the time I was 11 or 12, I “babysat” the two little ones. So did most of my friends. We took them swimming, to the movies when we could afford it or just hung out in the park or each other’s houses. We learned to cook, even if it was just hamburgers or hot dogs, clean and do laundrey. Pretty good prep for what was going to be a good portion of our lives when we grew up. We also learned that you can do about 20 creative things with hamburger, there are at least 10 variety of beans and, most important, that families are all about taking care of each other. Neighbors pitched in when help was needed. We learned to depend on ourselves and good friends. It’s nice that there is government assistance when people need it, but not a good thing that too many families depend on it for everything. It’s time to go back to original premise that this assistance should be for those who cannot, at the moment, help themselves or shelter, feed and clothe those who depend on them. It’s also time to remind parents that they have to become self reliant so their children will grow up with the same values.
Amen, Peggy! And might I point out, in my family, those creative things done with hamburger–were done with a POUND of hamburger that had to feed a family of five for a week! And it went even further with any of those many variety of beans.
And for those of you who are so damn quick to jump on Splash, and I’m USUALLY the first in line to do so, I’m from Cali and I have seen and lived EXACTLY what he is talking about.
I’m all for helping feed children, but there comes a point in time where we all have to face the fact that there are people who misuse the aid that comes at the expense of those who bust their asses for a paycheck to only see more being taken out of their hard earned paychecks to ‘aid’ those of the many who will not get the hell off their asses and even TRY to help themselves or their children, beyond having more children to increase the amount on their welfare checks. And if you don’t believe that–take a good hard look at what is happening in California.
Furthermore, I do have a problem with any tax system in the world that favors any economic ‘caste’ system–be it the rich or the poor, simply because it usually leaves out the biggest group of the entire caste system: the middle. But, to advocate a system that favors ‘punishing’ the rich without understanding the journey to that road of being typed as ‘rich’, is just as bad, if not worse than the one that ‘favors’ the rich. The majority of those who are ‘rich’, did not start that way–many got that way through a lot of fucking blood, sweat, and sacrifice. And those ‘rich’ are contributing to the common cause of those who are struggling–and they don’t just do it with their taxes.
And Bad Biker, sorry but I disagree with you. The responsibility to feed the children of others, are the very ones who made the CHOICE to bring those children into this goddamn world. And if you want an example of why this very socially liberal Frenchwoman is fired up about this, let me give you an example: I got a family member who CHOSE to get herself pregnant, and believe me it WAS her choice, and then CHOSE to have the baby. Great, no problem there. Except she is uneducated and has no job. ‘Baby’s daddy’ is no better. So, she gets government assistance to help the baby. Fine. Also, the family helps her out immensely. She also gets a babysitting job that makes some money for her. What does she do with THAT money? Keeps her hair tinted and her nails done with a French manicure and pedicure. Really? It is important to look so professional to watch someone else’s kids? And if you think for one minute that she is the only one who does that, think again.
But I, and I know for a fact Splash as well, would never, EVER turn our backs on the innocents in all this clusterfuck. It is a shame that so many of their parents have figured out that very fact, as well.
“Seriously, who’s responsibility is it to feed the children we have.”
Sorry to be so direct, Splash, but the answer to your question is ALL OF US.
Fuck the “mine is mine” mentality. We all benefit from the same taxpayer funded programs like roads, libraries, schools, police and fire protection, etc.
We also all support a system that allows some to make mega-bucks and others to work minimum wage jobs.
We also all are victim or beneficiaries of a tax system that favors the rich.
The upper-middle class and the rich folks are always decrying benefits for those less fortunate – until they, themselves, become less fortunate.
Those same people have NO GOD DAMN problem with corporate welfare, but they want to eliminate social welfare.
A just and fair society takes care of ALL it’s citizens.
Somebody take a look at this woman’s voting record, I’ll bet biker is correct on the corporate welfare meme….
Biker and I share a lot of views, he just happens to be a bit more militant, or maybe passionate is better.
We should judge our nation’s health at the base, not the apex.
Does anyone SERIOUSLY doubt that there are children who absolutely benefit from this?
And the idea that a kid who’s a SpongeBob fan is getting ‘hooked’ into anything….WTF?
Granted, there ARE genuine worthless people out there who will take advantage of this. SO BE IT.
Even stupid worthless cheaters have innocent little kids.
My .02
sekanblogger is compassionate to a fault.
Hard-liners will never convince me not to be!
Low IQ means more kids. I wonder what the stats are. Maybe we should limit their breeding.
Children are born to children, or at least those unqualified and unprepared to parent.
Use my tax money to feed those children, train those parents both for jobs and how to parent over many other areas my taxes support.
What do you want to bet the same people who scream about all life being sacred — when the subject is abortion, are screaming not to use tax monies to feed children whose parents might not be as responsible as we would all prefer they be?
In fact, I’d go one guess further: the reason this woman was elected is because she is against both gay marriage and abortion.
I checked out her web site — right (correct also!) on all my guesses!
Yes, she’s a Sarah wannabee.
“Children are born to children, or at least those unqualified and unprepared to parent.”
That raises the question: Where are the parents or parent of the child who is now having a child. Surely, they have had time to mature, learn, get a job and care for their children. And, who is really qualified and prepared to parent with their first (and sometimes second and third) child. It’s a learning process for every new parent. Some of us simply take the time to learn while others expect someone else will do the caretaking.
“Use my tax money to feed those children, train those parents both for jobs and how to parent over many other areas my taxes support.”
Both “workfare” and parental training have been tried in several states over the years. They have failed because many of those who needed them weren’t interested in trying. The only thing that survived was taxpayer supported food stamps, Section 8 housing and other handouts that kept, and continue to keep, the families in the system.
“What do you want to bet the same people who scream about all life being sacred — when the subject is abortion, are screaming not to use tax monies to feed children whose parents might not be as responsible as we would all prefer they be?”
I don’t scream about anything. I’m one of those who believe that choosing to abort or give birth to a child is personal. Luckily, it is not a choice I was ever forced to make. In fact, both my children were born before Roe V Wade was before the Supreme Court. I cannot imagine that, given the choice, I would have decided to abort. But I cannot honestly say what I would have done if I faced an unwanted pregnancy or the knowledge that the fetus I was carrying would have severe physical or mental defects.
Responsible parenting is not a “preference”. Most of society expects a person to be responsible when they have a child. When people engage in reckless behavior, such as robbing a gas station, mugging someone or driving while intoxicated, do we simply say they are not as responsible as we would like them to be. I don’t think so. I believe we hold them liable for their actions, usually in a criminal court. Isn’t having children and caring for them at least as important? Shouldn’t we hold them at least as liable or responsible as we do the robber or mugger.
Our country started many social programs at times when many people were in desperate straits and badly needed help. Unfortunately, we have allowed it to evolve into an ever expanding circle. A woman with two children becomes a welfare mom. Her two children each have two children and also go on welfare. The four new children have three or four children each and become welfare recipients. And the circle grows even larger.
I consider myself compassionate and, like one or two others on this site, I don’t subscribe to any political idealogy. I am the first in line if someone needs help and I am able to do something for them. But, there has to be a rational approach before we drain the upper and middle class in our country. If not, then someday, we will run out of people to help those truly in need. What will we do then?
I stand by my feeling that people need to gain or regain a sense of self reliance and personal responsibility. Social programs were intended as temporary help for those who were needy and simply looking for help while they figured out a way to turn their lives around. They have, unfortunately, turned into a way of life for generations of families.
I’m always going to be for feeding any child no matter what their parents deserve.
Hmmmmm. This is to most of you.
I thought I would let this go on for a little while. You all have given me a lot of food that I have already foddered.
The article appeared to me to be chastising someone for wanting to stop the free school lunch program through the summer with the usual LIBERAL argument that if we don’t feed the children then no one will.
That is bogus.
For people who need it “as a crutch to get through hard times” (jammer5)public assistance is already there for those who suddenly find themselves in need (even for rich blokes).
And, omawarison, you have no idea what I have seen or what my 5 kids have been through or hassled by. But even if I have never had to see ‘those people’ or been hassled by the kids of ‘those people’, understand that I don’t need to sit in the outhouse to know that it stinks [just in case, that was a metaphor; I am in no way implying that needy people stink; soap is cheap.].
Yes, hooked. You can site all of your rationale (which you don’t) that people taking handouts want to escape the system, but the fact is that most of them don’t. I’m not just talking about welfare either, which is the new slavery. Although people are ‘free’ to leave the system any time they want by simply refusing their handout, but an empty belly is a pretty good reason to stay, no?
Be as direct as you like, Bad Biker, you are still wrong. If you have kids it is your responsibility to feed them. If you don’t have the means, short term or long, there are programs for that; we don’t need additional ones. The “mine is mine” mentality has already been fucked and its gunna get fuckted-er. With unemployment running into double digets (jammer5) maybe we should think again about derailing the Spending Train with “The Big O” stamped on the side we are allowing to speed into oblivion. Maybe then, just maybe, the feds could help the states give your kids that free lunch. We already gave free health care to another 4 million kids (number questionable); I sure hope those smokers keep killing themselves so we can pay for it.
BTW, Bad Biker, I do have a problem with corporate welfare – your objection to it! You libbies always talk about what government has given to corporate America while leaving out what the government ALWAYS gets in return. For the most recent examples look at TARP and the UAW Bailout; everything the government gives has strings. Everything.
“The percentage of what “they take” from you is tiny compared to the effect it has on those “to whom they give”. Osawarian, who’s fucking paycheck are YOU looking at?? Not mine, that’s for god damn sure. Tiny? Thank you for that demonsterous demonstration of the liberal mentality. No wonder you blokes don’t think many of us pay enough. And you never will. But thanks for the $13 a week, you generous son of a gun. Anyway, what would you call all the money the SPENDulus bill will be pouring into wind and solar power. That’s not corp welfare right? Or how about the plan to tax the coal industry right out of business. I guess it is okay if ‘THOSE PEOPLE’ lose their jobs, but at least their kids will have free lunches, right?
And yes, jammer5, vote pandering. Libbies have done a better job USING OUR MONEY to buy just enough loyalty from just enough people to own the white house and senate. Remember this: “This is the best day of my life! I won’t have to worry about putting gas in my car. I won’t have to worry about paying my mortgage. If I help him, then he’s gunna help me.” If you think I am wrong, just start campaigning that you are going to start taking away these hand outs and see if you can win an election. It would be interesting. Shall we take the risk? I’m guessing no.
It is not about compassion anymore folks. It’s about stealing. It’s about redistribution. It’s about redefining fair to a fault. And it amazes me that a dumb ass plumber named Joe can get it and you can’t.
Personal responsibility folks. Self reliance (Thank you, Peggy). It is a principle that this country was founded on, and upon which we have thrived. Sure some people do better than others. Sure some become ‘filthy’ rich while others remain dirt poor. That’s not unfair. It’s not cruel or even evil. That’s life. Get use to it, it will be with you until you are 78.11 years old.
And finally, thank you to my lovely blogger in crime, PCL. You know me best. Never would I turn my back on a need I saw, ESPECIALLY for a child, if I could fill it.
Whatever.
By the way, the real redistribution has taken place over the last 30 years through legislation.
Now don’t piss me off!
You mean I can do that? Piss you off?
Others here maybe worse.
I’m Mr. tolerant in this humble crowd.
In any case, let’s not get carried away here, I can always come to your place and play.
And you would be welcome. I love debate and appreciate everyone here for it.
Anytime anyone wants to itemize the legislation of the last few decade (and we will not be able to leave out legislation that was blocked) I will be ready to show you that although they are different on the surface, liberals and MRs share a common goal. One steals my money and gives it to the rich and the other steals my money and gives it to the poor. My interest lies in the obviously common denominator.
Thank god we had the speed bump of the most Conservative congress we may ever see (from 1995-2000) to slow the madness or it might be too late. Hell, it mightbe too late already. (Glass half full, Splash, glass half full!)
Splash, we can easily find common ground.
When it comes to a fork, I make a new road down the middle.
I must stop by.
I’ll bet we have a lot of common ground, but wouldn’t you agree that the debatable stuff is more interesting? I hope so.
I left you a comment just now over at your house, you might check it out.
I’ll get there, Sekan, I promise. But I gotta go for just a bit; kid duty and various other wonderful thangs.
Talk to you soon.
“For people who need it “as a crutch to get through hard times” (jammer5)public assistance is already there for those who suddenly find themselves in need (even for rich blokes).”
What made you think I was talking about anything else? Duh!
———————————————————-
“With unemployment running into double digets (jammer5) maybe we should think again about derailing the Spending Train with “The Big O” stamped on the side we are allowing to speed into oblivion.”
Suggestions on how to get those unemployed back to work, or does your typical con line stop at actually thinking in a positive manner? You spout what you think should not be done. How about some positive suggestions on what should be done?
——————————————————-
“Yes, hooked. You can site all of your rationale (which you don’t) that people taking handouts want to escape the system, but the fact is that most of them don’t. I’m not just talking about welfare either, which is the new slavery. Although people are ‘free’ to leave the system any time they want by simply refusing their handout, but an empty belly is a pretty good reason to stay, no?”
So regardless of what I post, you wont believe it? The fact people DO want off the public dole means nothing to you? And your source for YOUR rationalization is what?
———————————————————
“And yes, jammer5, vote pandering. Libbies have done a better job USING OUR MONEY to buy just enough loyalty from just enough people to own the white house and senate. Remember this: “This is the best day of my life! I won’t have to worry about putting gas in my car. I won’t have to worry about paying my mortgage. If I help him, then he’s gunna help me.” If you think I am wrong, just start campaigning that you are going to start taking away these hand outs and see if you can win an election. It would be interesting. Shall we take the risk? I’m guessing no.”
What was that? More nonsense from a mind that emulates the Coulter/Limbaugh/O’Reilly/Hannity/Beck culture? The same culture that spouts nothing but negatives and outright bs? Like Limbaugh blaming Sanford’s marital woes on Obama? The Democrats don’t need to buy votes, splash, you Republicans are doing a fine job sending them our way.
———————————————————
I will not deny it is the parents responsibility to feed and clothe their children, but when unemployment runs as high as it is, even that can become difficult. When that happens, it is this countries best interest to make damn sure it’s citizens get the food they need to survive.
Look at it from your business perspective, that is what it all boils down to in your world, doesn’t it? Underfed people get sick, if they’re underfed, they probably can’t afford insurance, which means they become a burden on hospitals. Someones got to pay for those people. That means you and I end up paying more in the long run through higher health insurance rates.
It’s really easy to sit back, knowing you have a job, and bad mouth those who aren’t so lucky, which is basically what you’re doing. Think about those who lost homes, jobs, and pretty much everything they had. Think about the retired people who lost their entire savings to people like Madoff, or the financial meltdown. Try to remember the seven deadly sins.
On January 31, 1964, U.S. President Lyndon Johnson requested Congress to pass legislation making the FSP permanent. Agriculture Secretary Orville Freeman submitted proposed legislation to establish a permanent FSP on April 17, 1964. The bill eventually passed by Congress was H.R. 10222, introduced by Congresswoman Sullivan. One of the members on the House Committee on Agriculture who voted against the FSP in Committee was then Representative Bob Dole. As a Senator, Mr. Dole became a staunch supporter of the Program. Among the official purposes of the Food Stamp Act of 1964 were strengthening the agricultural economy and providing improved levels of nutrition among low-income households; however, the practical purpose was to bring the pilot FSP under Congressional control and to enact the regulations into law.
Oy. I feel bad. Maybe I was wrong.
Nah.
I’m actually enjoying hearing Republicans complain. Perverse, I know! All the silly repeated made-up scary words attributed to the evil ‘libaruhls,’ grow shriller with each telling: “This is the best day of my life! I won’t have to worry about putting gas in my car. I won’t have to worry about paying my mortgage. If I help him, then he’s gunna help me.”
Think of how much louder they’ll be screaming when every American has affordable health care available.
“This is the best day of my life! I won’t have to worry about putting gas in my car. I won’t have to worry about paying my mortgage. If I help him, then he’s gunna help me.”
Thats a bunch of snark.
Liberals aren’t stupid, they want facts.
Not stupid scary talking points.
The facts are that a few thousand people worldwide have all the money and power, they now have K street too.
The little guy, nada.
The facts, statistics and government reports themselves tell the story.
Liberal Democrats (who are also rich) are the epitome of “stupid scary talking points”. So if you want facts, that one would be as good a place to start as any.
And the last thing a liberal has ever been interested in is facts. I’m not sure they know the meaning of the word.
The thing about liberals and facts is just not true. They are better at using them. Period.
They have to be after 8 years of Shrub!
Said the liberal?
PS – Shrub? Now that is funny. LOL!
Said the liberal?
Look at the title, idiot. Said by a conservative. Makes you proud? No surprise.
fnord –
Who said I was a Republican? If you are interested:
http://splashinthepacific.wordpress.com/2009/06/24/you-mean-theres-more-than-one-type-of-conservative/
I saw in this in print somewhere, “If you are upset at how expensive health care is now, just wait until it is FREE.” You will wake from your dream of affordable health care for all to the real nightmare of government control.
Good luck with that.
Canadians pay about 50 a month in taxes.
I’ll trade anyday, others here maybe not.
I really don’t care WHAT you are! You’re complaining about liberals and most everyone who posts here. How long have you been silently reading here to feel you can come in and make your grand sweeping critical statements? “And the last thing a liberal has ever been interested in is facts. I’m not sure they know the meaning of the word.” In fact, when did you meet every liberal in order to make that sweeping all-inclusive statement?
And, no, you haven’t made me want to click on any link you provide, haven’t elicited any interest! I can’t really imagine storming into a blog and making such silly generalizations and then still expecting people to have enough respect for you or your opinions to put credence into what you have to post.
fnord –
I gave you a link if you were interested in knowing where I am coming from. If you are not, that’s okay. However, that makes you like the people who knocked the recent tea parties without attending one or the people who picketed “The Last Temptation of Christ” without seeing the film.
No, I haven’t met every liberal. Have you met every Republican? Every Conservative? I know you’ve never met anyone like me. Yet you comment like you do without visiting the link to learn more. Are we that different in that regard?
I made the first comment on this thread. You all jumped me and that’s okay, I can take it, I did not however make grand sweeping critical statements that my experience does not back up. Do you really think this is the only blog I have ever visited? I saw a link and clicked it. You should beglad someone is plugging your site out there. Isn’t that what you want? New readers/commenter? Isn’t that the idea? Or would you rather seal yourself in a cocoon, all warm and cozy, sans irritations that contact with the outside world ultimately invites.
I bit back. Can you take it?
No need to call yourself anything. Your posts do that for you. You spout the conservative line down to a “T”. It’s you conservatives who spout the “free health care” line. Nowhere does any Democrat say anything about “free health care.” Next, you’ll be telling us Obama’s a Muslim, born in Africa, and a member of some terrorist outfit.
Health care, in Canada, Germany, Sweden and other countries, is not “free”. It is supported by tax dollars, monthly stipends, etc. But it in no way is free.
Whatever creds you might have had went down the sewer with that “free” nonsense. Return to the unholy megamouths (you know: Coulter/Limbaugh/O’Reilly/Hannity/Beck) and find something else to whine about.
Somehow I am to blame because he doesn’t make himself interesting?
No ideas. Just criticisms, and then run off.
Going to be a very long time before criticisms trumps ideas!
shhhhhh …. i’m sneaking in here to tell you … i’ll be happy to debate you over on my site where spirited debate is appreciated … i have plenty of ideas … and would be happy to share them and see what you think … but before I could, I got banned. if you wish to debate, then you know where to find me.
please, don’t tell bad biker I was here … i want him to come back to you … shhhhhhh
You haven’t been banned, you’re over reacting and it won’t work.
If you don’t like the turn American politics has taken, elect some people who will do what you approve of!
If you have any ideas, feel free to post them. I’m not going looking for you and you’ve made many posts that show all you have is a desire to criticize so the proof of your ability to do more than that is on you, not any one of us.
Geez Fnord, I turn my back for one minute and there you go stirring trouble! Gosh, I might have to send the Jew hating git that just shat on my blog over to you too! ahahhahahhahahahhahahahahahahah 🙂
What’s there to debate, slash? You came over here, called us libbies, and stated your opinion on everything from free lunches to health care, and all of it the same rhetoric you can get from the neocon radio pundits on a daily basis. I haven’t read an original idea from you yet, and doubt I ever will. Nor have I read anything that can be considered positive. Just the usual negative crap you Republicans have been spouting. But keep it up, you’re doing a fine job of turning off the average American and sending them our way.
I like it here just fine. If someone with any intelligence comes along and wants to discuss issues, I’ll be more than happy to oblige. From what I’ve read at your blog, I might as well return to TBTSNBN; I can read the same crap there.
Splash,
I think that quote is from P.J. O’Rourke (or maybe Will Rogers). If not, here are a few from him that say it all:
“The good news is that, according to the Obama administration, the rich will pay for everything. The bad news is that, according to the Obama administration, you’re rich.”
P. J. O’Rourke
“Humans are the only animals that have children on purpose with the exception of guppies, who like to eat theirs.”
P. J. O’Rourke
Who needs to be responsible or self reliant when we are rich and can behave like guppies?
Peggy – you are a wealth of wisdom.
She’s a wealth of wisdom because she knows what one person said, and attributes that to others? Seems very presumptuous and not at all wise to me!
shhhhhh …. now who’s the critical one …. [sorry bad biker] … dford how long have you been silently reading [stalking] Peggy that you can make such a grand sweeping criticism? shhhhh
Poor P.J.. I truly feel sorry for the fella. He couldn’t stand Dubya, which definitely helped the rhetoric he spouts. Now he has to deal with a man who actually makes sense. Makes it tough to create funny, accurate, cutting remarks.
Keep trying, P.J..
I’m not so sure about that … this site tells an entirely different, but seemingly complete story.
http://oldfraser.lexi.net/media/media_releases/2001/20010613.html
$50 a month per citizen wouldn’t support the country. That is $1.67 billion. There total budget in 2009 was a little over $608 billion. The % of govt revenue in income tax alone is 40%. That is $240B and doesn’t include the total tax burden per citizen.
I’m using the NY Times for that figure.
There’s a big surprise. The figure cannot possibly be right.
Check sources before running mouth, please.
shhhhhh … all I needed was a $3 calculator made in China … shhhhhhh
I thought this was supposed to be a PROGRESSIVE blog – if I want to read CON talking points – I’ll go over to WEBlog and subject myself to the likes of NP, Reg and Am.
Later, if this is what this blog is going to be – I am out of here.
“I saw in this in print somewhere, “If you are upset at how expensive health care is now, just wait until it is FREE.”
And just who the FUCK said it was going to be FREE?
Eh?
Typical con distortion and obstructionist rhetoric.
I guess that it’s YOUR blog, now, Splash, enjoy.
It WAS fun while it lasted.
Bad Biker. I’m sorry. I shall graciously ban myself so that you may feel free and comfortable to return. There are plenty of places I can go that appreciate debate without getting their nose bent all out of shape.
My apologies. As quickly as you gave me this blog, I give it back. See? I’m not so bad.
Adios. Thanks for letting me comment.
Nice try, Splash, you know god damned well what you were trying to do and it sucks, just like you do.
“Bad Biker. I’m sorry. I shall graciously ban myself so that you may feel free and comfortable to return. There are plenty of places I can go that appreciate debate without getting their nose bent all out of shape.”
Well, Splash, if there are plenty of places for you to go – well god damn it – go.
“F’er.
Biker,
They’re like the common insect, these Splash types. Ignore them long enough and they’ll find someone else to feed off of.
Why help him get his jollies? You know as well as I do that he’s going back to report to his buddies that the evil liberals can’t have an honest, straightforward discussion on any subject. Not that he’d know honest or straightforward or even what a discussion is if it slapped him in the face.
He’s irrelevant. A waste of good oxygen. Don’t feed him. Let him rot in his own waste.
Good advice, wicked.
If a poster with a differing opinion came here to discuss ideas we would show that poster ‘liberal’ tolerance, we would listen with the same degree of respect offered by the person with the opposing opinion, perhaps learn something, or share something — but for sure everyone would consider the ideas and options presented.
I think the best solutions come from compromise! In order to come to a compromise everyone must consider all sides and that usually means the strengths and weaknesses are examined, leading to a well thought our compromise.
Splash didn’t come with any ideas, or with any respect. He had criticisms. He can take those someplace else!
This will always be a civil blog.
We will have affordable health care for Americans! So smile and be happy. Don’t let the talking points bring you down — they’re only talking points with no majority behind them.
If anyone in opposition wants an agenda that isn’t the one President Obama and the majority Democratic Congress wants, let them win some elections. That’s how politics in our country works. Or, maybe if there were even any ideas, or alternate solutions from the minority party it would have some impact. So far, they have no ideas!
Something will always beat nothing!
WHOA!!
You guys have clearly opened the gate for the cons here.
Begrudging children a free lunch! How DARE you when there is SO much wasted food in this country.
At a Dillon’s the other night, I watched them throw away maybe a hundred pounds of food rather than mark it down.
The people who make, cook, deliver, those school lunches for 9 months of the year and the food they use to do so, do you imagine all that disappears in June? Why waste that food and put those people out of work just because in offends con “sensibilities”?
“Hunger can be a positive motivator. “‘
“Let them eat cake!”
I wish on this witch the same fate that befell Marie Antoinnette.
Here’s another inspiring Republican Representative — Michele Bachmann (R-MN), who is refusing to complete the 2010 census, is advocating for others to follow her example, who says:
“If we look at American history, between 1942 and 1947, the data that was collected by the census bureau was handed over to the FBI and other organizations, at the request of President Roosevelt, and that’s how the Japanese were rounded up and put into the internment camps. I’m not saying that’s what the Administration is planning to do. But I am saying that private, personal information that was given to the census bureau in the 1940s was used against Americans to round them up.”
More of her conspiracy theories here.
Now that’s just sick.
An elected official openly encouraging resisting THE LAW!
What would happen if she encouraged cancer patients to smoke pot for relief?
She’d be called wingnut.
I think her district should just take her advice and just say no, that way we can do away with her position. No population, no representation.
Since she’s a she, can I still call her NumbNuts?
The census has been of tremendous value to me in my family research. I HOPE that the folks I can’t find weren’t paranoid like Bachman. If they were, they will be as she is; here and all about herself for awhile and then not memorable.
“I wish our liberal leaders would have the same compassion for those of us from whom they take as they do those of us to whom they give.”
This is the same sentiment that was expressed by this resource:
http://www.amazon.com/Forgotten-Man-History-Great-Depression/dp/0066211700
Although a few points were correct, unfortunately, most of the points in this long work, were incorrect.
I did a book review on this title not too long ago. Please look it up…
OFF WITH HER HEAD!!!
If she has one, or at least a brain that resides there.
Come on, people. Living on welfare? LMAO at that one. Absolutely ROLLING. Just how many people do you non-liberal non-“Christians” know who are living on welfare? As my favorite farm girl would say, Jesus wept.
$84 a month. Yeah, that’ll pay the rent, the electric bill, gas to LOOK for a job… The list is endless, as we all know. Everybody wants money for their services and stuff. Now just how stoooopid is that? And guess who wants the MOST money? The people with money!
You clowns need to walk a mile in the shoes of some of these people. Parents working their asses off at whatever job is available, trying to raise kids on virtually nothing.
Get real.
I don’t know why you’re all bitching anyway. The Dept. of Agriculture overseas food stamps. Know why the DoA is involved? Because they wanted to strengthen agriculture in this country. And now that the majority of farms and many ranches are owned by CORPORATIONS, you guys are getting yours!
GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES….FOR THE RICH!!!!
Splash, I see you are causing waves here….as usual!
Im a moderate…but Splash likes to think of me as a Liberal….
To the Liberals here, don’t let Splash ruffle your feathers…he’s harmless really…just like all the other conservatives of late.
=)
Hi Michelle.
We’re waiting for those ideas he says he has! We’re not holding our breath! 😉
I knew I smelled something…
fnord check your gmail
we get the same nonsense in Rhode Island. every so often some politician declares war on a school breakfast program. it seems that when so many kids are on Ritalin and other scary drugs, trying breakfast is a conservative way to treat attention problems.