Secrecy is More Patriotic?

Liz Cheney joined her parents on a trip to the Middle East in March 2008.

From CNN:

“Liz Cheney is picking up where her father left off when it comes to taking aim at the Obama administration, saying Tuesday the new commander-in-chief appears to be siding with terrorists.”

Later in the piece:

“‘I have heard from families of service members from families of 9/11 victims this question about when did it become so fashionable for us to side, really, with the terrorists,’ she continued. ‘You know, President Obama has a lot of rhetoric about support for American military families, support for our men and women who are fighting for us overseas. But if he really cares about them, then he wouldn’t be making such an effort to release photos that show them in a negative light.'”

What is it with those Cheney’s?  Now Liz Cheney is saying that the Obama administration are terrorist sympathizers.

Are these some sort of orchestrated acts of desperation designed to keep dad out of prison?  I think our main stream media is at fault for even acknowledging the psycho-ramblings of this family.  Enough already.  I don’t care what Dick Cheney or any of his enablers think about anything.  Thank you very much..

iggy donnelly


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19 responses to “Secrecy is More Patriotic?

  1. WTF are these bunch of buttholes talking about?
    What evidence, incidence, writings, opinions or legislation could there possibly be that gives ANYONE the idea of ‘siding with terrorists’?

    Is it just that if you say that The Dick’s policies made us less safe, then you’re not ‘with him’, and therfore you’re a terrorist supporter?

    That’s not even a decent straw man argument.
    What alternate universe do these people come from, and how do we send them back?

  2. jammer5

    You’ll notice there is very little in the news about how Obama got the leaders of Pakistan and Afghanistan together, and how Pakistan is making, for the first time it seems, a concerted effort to wipe out the Taliban and Al-Qaida. Pakistan made a treaty with the Taliban and the Bush admin appeared to care less. Obama came along and now Pakistan, a nuclear country, is doing what it should to drive out the extremists.

    Seems to me the Cheneys’ don’t have a clue as to whats going on now. They sure as hell didn’t back then. This is a major win for the Obama administration, and they’re getting little credit for it. Diplomacy works!

  3. The cheney justifications sound exactly like what they are — desperate and stupid. So, I’m not going to complain. I won’t listen but those who do are already in the 23 percenters deluded reality or will be turned away from it. He does good work for the Democratic Party.

    I was surprised when I read a news account that he is 68 years old — only 6 years older than me! I know he hasn’t enjoyed good health but he looks downright old. Is it the meanness that makes him look that way?

    • wicked

      When your heart is as black as his must be, looking as bad as he does isn’t a far stretch.

  4. wicked


    Cheney and the lot of them can’t acknowledge progress made by Obama, especially this early in his first term. Doing so would prove how inept BushCo was. So much easier to make up stories like a bunch of 4-year-olds.

  5. jammer5

    wicked, Jesse Ventura on Cheney:

    Ventura: Powell’s a ‘war hero,’ while Cheney ‘ran and hid’

    Former Minnesota governor Jesse Ventura laid into Dick Cheney on CNN Monday night for, among other things, supporting waterboarding and maligning a “war hero” during an interview on Sunday.

    “I was water boarded, so I know — at SERE School, Survival Escape Resistance Evasion,” the former wrestler who gained his first mainstream fame playing a role in the sci-fi actioner Predator told CNN’s Larry King. “It was a required school you had to go to prior to going into the combat zone, which in my era was Vietnam. All of us had to go there. We were all, in essence — every one of us was water boarded. It is torture.”

    King asked, “What was it like?”

    “It’s drowning,” Ventura responded. “It gives you the complete sensation that you are drowning. It is no good, because you — I’ll put it to you this way, you give me a water board, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I’ll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.”

    “I don’t have a lot of respect for Dick Cheney,” Ventura said. “Here’s a guy who got five deferments from the Vietnam War. Clearly, he’s a coward. He wouldn’t go when it was his time to go. And now he is a chicken hawk. Now he is this big tough guy who wants this hardcore policy. And he’s the guy that sanctioned all this torture by calling it enhanced interrogation.”

    King asked, “Do you think Rush Limbaugh’s a better Republican than Colin Powell?”

    “No, not at all,” Ventura said. “In fact, if you compare the two, let’s look at Colin Powell, who’s a war hero, who strapped it on for his country, and didn’t run and hide.”

    King pointed out, “Twice.”

    “And then you look at Dick Cheney who ran and hid,” Ventura said. “I have no respect for Dick Cheney. I have tremendous respect for General Powell.”

    Pretty much says it all.

  6. wicked

    Jesse Ventura speaks the truth.

    Wouldn’t it be nice if everyone did?

  7. g-stir

    I think Cheney is mouthing off about this as a move to put up a smoke screen to prevent any further investigations into just what he did in his office these last 8 years. The man is capable of anything, and his actions need to be looked into;
    scary as that might be!

  8. lilacluvr

    When Dick Cheney first started this talk show circuit he’s been on (and notice it is mostly on Fox News), I thought it was just his way to make the Bush Administration look better and possibly rewrite history. Now, I think it might be more than that.

    Cheney is trying to back Obama into a corner and come out with pushing for a full-blown investigation. There are already plenty of Democrats wanting an investigation, but Obama has yet to personally push for one. Obama has always said he is wanting to look forward, not backwards.

    I think Cheney is trying to push Obama into losing his calm and cool temperament and then that would make it look like this whole torture issue is just Obama’s personal vendetta.

    Cheney’s ego and arrogance will not allow him simply fade into the sunset – like George W. obviously has done. But since Cheney threw GWB under the bus about the approval of torture, maybe GWB will finally come out and say something? If I was GWB, if I was going down for this, then I’d sure take Darth Cheney with me.

    Or maybe Cheney is just certifiable nuts and Liz is the little nut that did not fall from the tree?

  9. I think you could be onto something, Lilac!

    Investigation after investigation would keep Congress tied up and nothing would get done. That would please cheney.

    I hadn’t thought of your idea, but I’m glad you did and shared! I love exhanging info, ideas and thoughts here!

    • lilacluvr

      Plus, I think Cheney knows an all-out fight with Obama would raise their NeoCons numbers in the Republican Party.

      These people seem to thrive on the scent of blood – don’t they?

      But I’m still betting on Obama keeping and reaching even more moderate and free-thinking Americans who remember what the years of total control under the NeoCons were like. That, and the fact if the economy starts rebounding – Republicans will be toast if they continue on their current path of the NeoConservative Party of NO.

      • About all they’ve shown they have is no, along with confuse and criticize. Haven’t heard an alternate idea or solution yet.

        I think President Obama is too smart to fall into a cheney trap!

  10. bush the lesser may have no clue what is going on. He may have never had a clue what went on.

  11. lilacluvr

    the topic thread is ‘secrecy is more patriotic’.

    NeoConservatives are driven by their own delusions of grandeur. If they let their secrets out- then the delusion would be shown for what it is – a bunch of nothing.

    • tosmarttobegop

      That pretty much hits the nail on the head, Cheney and the neo-Conservatives always see themselves as the only one that can see the truth. The problem is no matter whether their delusions are exposed as being nothing it will not matter to them. If exposed and the people see them as nothing. It just reaffirms their concept that we can not see the truth.
      “Just because no one else can see the space aliens standing on the street corner does not mean they are not there!”.
      Argue as we will, they see that which no one else can see so it is our fault for not seeing it.

  12. wicked

    Cheney might be able to dupe the clueless, but Obama and many of the rest of the country have a clue.

    Funny how we never saw Dick during the second term, especially that last couple of years, and now he’s all over the place. Maybe he’s looking for a presidential run in ’12?

  13. 6176746f6c6c65

    Yes, I think he is; actually, he wants to “decide” who will run. Remember the 2000 campaign and how, as the head of the VP search group, he became the VP candidate, something I’ve always thought not coincidental.

  14. tosmarttobegop

    First, the Obama’s have visited Ft. Bragg and the surrounding military bases at least five times where my son and his family are stationed. They feel very supported!

    I have several reasons I approve of the stopping the release of the photos.
    It would truly serve no purpose, those that already know of the treatment do not need to see the picture to convince them. Those who do not know is because they have already chosen to not believe. The picture will not suddenly convince them. The only purpose for releasing them would be for the childish game of pointing at them and saying “I told you so!”.

    It has already been established that the photos that had came out already were excellent recruiting tools for the terrorists. what good would it do to release more photos?

    One of my concerns it best describe by what is said of video games, they desensitize the players to the blood, gore and the idea of pointing a weapon at a human being. It could be a valid plot to condition the American people. Put out aspects of the torture, get the discussion and debate to fill the day. Show the evidence a head of time till when the actual hearings, investigations or in the case of a trial comes about.
    WE THE PEOPLE are fed up and so tired of hearing and seeing it that there is no real interest left.
    We will have became desensitized to it all, sick of seeing and hearing about it. So the show would have began and no spectators for the show.