04/14/09 Public Square

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  1. TheProfessor

    Dear Folks,

    We, the members of “Billionaires for ‘Baggers,” will make an appearance at tomorrow’s “Teabag Party,” so we can issue our *warmest* thanks to the Republican rank and file for fighting on behalf of us who are in the top 1%!

    We’d love it if you would join us! Please suit up appropriately (formal attire, morning dress), equip yourselves with the accoutrements of wealth and privilege (champagne, goblets, etc), and bring signage to express our appreciation for the “little people” who are making so much noise on our behalf!

    Here are some suggestions for signage:

    -T. Paine 4 Top 1%’ers

    -Taxing the obscenely wealthy is UNAMERICAN!

    -Teabaggers for economic justice!

    -Billionaires (Heart) ‘Baggers

    G (uard)
    O (our)
    P (Privileges)

    -Bigger tax breaks 4
    the wealthies–um, most productive!

    The gathering is scheduled for 4:00-8:00 PM at the main post office, by the airport. Here’s the info:

    http://wichitaliberty.org/wichita-tea-party/

  2. David B

    This tea party is near my workplace.. I am VERY tempted. I will for sure drop by and shoot some pix…

  3. Kewl! You go and then report back. I’ll trust your ‘take’ over others! I think I’ll avoid the area, I’m not sure I would appreciate the company of many of those attending. The newspaper already warned me the Kansas House Representative for 105, Jason Watkins, will be in attendance. He is the Rep for the district I live in — very rude man! I have saved emails from him, and if there is ever an opponent to his bid for reelection, I’ll share them.

    Basically, if you live in District 105 you are represented by a pro-lifer, walk in lockstep with the Republican Party guy. Anything else, forget about being represented!

  4. Before plunging into a very full day of work (ugh!), I was listening to the news roundup on my favorite small college radio station, and heard about a scandal, a scandal I tell you, that has the area citizenry up in arms (or up in something; I’ll let you decide).

    Apparently, in the small town (village?) of Vassalboro, Maine, a local donut shop was on the verge of bankruptcy, when the proprietor decided he needed to take a drastic step; topless donut servers. While the servers are all female (at present), he has assured all that he won’t discriminate on gender grounds, it’s just that no males have applied (yet).

    Anyway, business has boomed, even in these difficult economic times. This inspired other businesses to consider taking similar steps. Well, this was too much for the local citizenry, and the town council has passed an ordinance which would severely limit the ability of other businesses to follow suit. Unfortunately for those who supported the passage of the ordinance, it cannot “touch” the existing business, due to its being in existence before the ordinance was passed, which has started another controversy.

    Now, I’m sure that many of the locals who supported the ordinance would loudly proclaim their allegiance to the “free market” and less governmental regulation (my assurance about this is based upon an interview with one of them, who regretted the need to have additional regulation, but it was necessary to preserve morality and common decency), but their actions speak louder than their words. The market spoke (loudly), but was ignored. 🙂

    N.B. Vassalboro is a quaint typical small Maine town, which, to its misfortune, was bypassed when I-95 was built. Located roughly half-way between Augusta (the state capital) and Waterville, on U.S. 201, it is not close to the coast, and thus is not favored by the tourist trade that makes up a substantial part of the state economy. It my further understanding that the donut shop in question employed (before the change) seven to ten local residents, all of whom would have lost their jobs. It now employs some 15 “locals”, and is a bright spot in the otherwise foundering area economy.

  5. A scandal fer sure! 😉

    My first question would be — can the donut shop owner expand his business and maintain his grandfather benefits? If so, maybe a deal could be worked out with the villages other businesses who are prevented from following his example. The donut shop could become a service station / bar / repair shop / hardware store, donut serving facility.

  6. The Votemaster has an excellent summary of the Minnesota Senate race between Coleman and Franken.

    He sums up his report by saying, “This case has now dragged on for 5 months. In a metaphysical way, one might ask if the courts are a better place to determine the winner of elections than the state elections boards, whose mission that is. Probably a good case could be made to have elections end when the duly authorized election authority has declared a winner. Those people probably know the election law (as well as the facts) better than any judge. While it is tough to lose an election by less than 0.1%, somebody has to win and somebody has to lose and there is little reason to believe that judges can make this determination better than the election authority.”

    http://www.electoral-vote.com/index.html

  7. I don’t think so, fnord. I’m too busy to respond to your question with the fullness and completeness it deserves, but the brief answer is “probably not” or even briefer, “no”.

  8. One more brief blast before turning to the desk full of tasks.

    The Minnesota Supreme Court, to which an appeal will be taken (or so we are told) has seven member, as many other state Supreme Courts. Of these seven, it appears from what I’ve heard/read that three of the justices should recuse themselves from the case. One, the most recent appointee, was a big contributor to Sen. Coleman’s campaign before appointment; the other two have other reasons for their recusal (one of them, IIRC, has some relationship with either Mr. Franken’s campaign or the DLP in Minnesota; not clear on the other, but a “talking head” has assured me that this Justice should also be recused). This would leave four justices in a position to rule.

    Regardless of how they decide the case (2-2 allows the decision of the lower court to stand; 3-1 or 4-0 in favor of either candidate’s position, or whatever), an attempt will be made to get the case to SCOTUS. To me, that is the only guarantee.

  9. Ahh, I spoke (posted) wrongly about the Vassalboro controversy.

    http://kennebecjournal.mainetoday.com/news/local/6198114.html indicates that the ordinance has not yet taken effect, as it must be placed to a public vote. Also, the proprietor is seeking an expansion in his business.

    Interestingly, in direct contravention to the news report I heard, it appears that there is not as much support for the proposed ordinance as I had gathered, at least insofar as attendance at the city council meetings is concerned. Hmm…..

  10. David B

    I do not watch much TV, but this clip from the English show that inspired American Idol is a hot topic amongst my European friends, so, a link direct from Holland:

  11. WOW!

    If you have the time, do watch David’s link at YouTube. Amazing, inspirational, made me sit here and cry. You will be treated to quite a performance, but also enjoy the reactions from those who were shocked because they had already made up their minds, based on everything superficial, and were made to see how shallow their thoughts were.

    Here are the lyrics to the piece she performs:
    ——————-

    I dreamed a dream in time gone by
    When hope was high
    And life woth living
    I dreamed that love would never die
    I dreamed that God would be forgiving.

    Then I was young and unafraid
    And dreams were made and used
    And wasted
    There was no ransom to be paid
    No song unsung
    No wine untasted.

    But the tigers come at night
    With their voices soft as thunder
    As they tear your hope apart
    As they turn your dream to shame.

    And still
    I dream he’ll come to me
    That we will live the years together
    But there are dreams that cannot be
    And there are storms
    We cannot weather…

    I had a dream my life would be
    So different form this hell I’m living
    so different now from what it seemed
    Now life has killed
    The dream I dreamed.
    —————-

    I think her dreams were resurrected!

  12. iggydonnelly

    Welcome TheProfessor and thanks for the heads up. This a.m. I have some online work to do for the dreaded “work”place. So, I will be back later.

    I wonder if TheProfessor’s group are the same people who dressed up as “Billionaires for Bush” when Karl Rove and his fat arse graced our fine city?

    Later…

  13. jammer5

    Okay, I did my part and left a comment supporting the Wichita tea party at http://wichitaliberty.org/wichita-tea-party/

    I wish I could be there, but I gotta do my laundry then.

  14. TheProfessor

    iggydonnelly,

    Yep. None other.

    We’re just happy that that the astroturfers were kind enough to oblige us with such a made-to-order raison d’etre. The Teabag Tantrum platform requires almost no retooling on our part.

    So, come one and all! Let the Teabaggers eat cake!

  15. Good to ‘read you,’ Professor. Come back anytime, pull up a chair and share your thoughts with us.

  16. Gee, the “tea party” time conflicts with my straightening out my sock drawer….

  17. I’m back safe and sound from the place where the mean people are. I hadn’t been there in quite some time, won’t return for a longer time — nothing changed!

    Here is an interesting chart listing tax rates around the world. True, in the U.S.A. we live well, but take a look at where our tax rates fall in perspective with other countries. Maybe the tea party can inspire others. Or maybe if they thought about it a minute they’d realize how truly good they’ve got it!

    http://www.worldwide-tax.com/

  18. lilacluvr

    I always remind myself before going over the fence to that other blog that I need to watch out for those guns ablazing or bombs bursting. Seems like someone is always advocating violence over there.

    And these are the Christians…..makes one wonder how they rationalize their violence when Jesus used love to motivate others?

  19. My fans were quick to jump and tell me how ‘stewpid,’ confused and illogical I am. Who needs that? My soul thrives in a loving atmosphere, maybe if they removed themselves from all that hate they too would once again find peace, kindness, love.

    A good reason to sort socks, do laundry, and other important things on Wednesday evening! I’ll feed my soul a better diet than will be available among those angry people!

    Hubby and I are going to tonight’s screening of Alice’s Restaurant. We decided the $8 was more affordable than the concert tomorrow night.

    • wicked

      Oh, lucky you and hubby!

      • Ive never seen it, and he says he can’t remember having seen it either (but then ya know the time frame and how much is remembered…). I haven’t been in the Orpheum since the remodeling / recovery project begun years ago either. Boy do I remember that movie theater from back in the days when I was young.

        Wanna go with us?

        btw, I love your gravatar!

  20. It amazes me that the “tea party” is to be at the main postal facility, when there is a perfectly good IRS building here in Wichita where they could all go to enjoy their tea.

    Perhaps the presence of the U.S. Marshal service at said building would interfere with their enjoyment of the tea.

  21. Not to mention that the IRS building is across the street from City Hall, a large parking lot would be available for the partiers, and gee, some friendly local constables would be available in the even this wonderful, spontaneous demonstration would be interrupted by the violent henchmen of the evil liberals.

  22. Wouldn’t coming to the logical conclusions you post require advance planning, critical thinking skills, rational and reasonable thoughts?

  23. I dunno; it took me about two minutes to figure that out….

  24. David B

    You can get everything you want at Alice’s Restaurant!

  25. A bit more serious. Obviously, the event is not spontaneous, with the site chosen to generate as much publicity as possible. I’ve a feeling that the organizers are steering clear of any place where they might run afoul of the “authorities”, thus the chosen location. From reading on the wichitaliberty.org site, there is a vacant field where they plan on assembling. It would be interesting, no, if that vacant field was owned by a private owner who posted it against trespassers?

  26. David B

    ‘ceptin’ Alice..

  27. Wish I had the time tonight to go.

    Went to see Alice’s Restaurant back in the day with my lady friend of the time, an antiwar activist (who ended up joining the Marines upon graduation, as the economy then was in a similar state as it is now, and the Marines were looking for some folks with the appropriate PR skills to do recruiting posters, etc; what a good lady, all 5’12” of her, redhead…I digress); I don’t know who enjoyed it more, her or me.

  28. wicked

    DavidB, many, many thanks for posting the YouTube link. I’m like…wow…no words to express the feelings that inspired. I’ve passed it on to family and friends who are AI watchers, unlike me. And as someone said on the comments after the video, she’d beat Adam (whatever-his-name-is), hands down. I did see him and rolled my eyes at his focal theatrics.

  29. wicked

    What time is the tea party? I could always put one of those old formals to good use. 😉

  30. lilacluvr

    I thought the postal facility was the site chosen because they figured people would be driving thru mailing their tax returns. I wonder if they will be so bold as to block anybody’s car – like the protesters at Tiller’s Clinic do?

    This all seems so reminiscent of the last few days of the campaign, doesn’t it? Remember the lines of people waiting to get into a McCain or Palin event?

    I think it was Nancy Pelosi’s daughter (?) making a documentary about it and these people were more than happy to express their opinions. When she asked them for specifics, they just looked like deer in the headlights and could not come up with one fact.

    Just let them talk – in fact, encourage them to use their freedom of speech. Hey, Sarah Palin did it all the time and look how well that turned out.

  31. Well, they can’t be afraid of a few authority figures! They’re the chosen people, God is on their side, they are moral and… Brownback will be there!

    I can guarantee if there is a smidgen of trouble it will be the fault of any eevviill libarul who might be there!

    /sarcasm

  32. wicked

    fnord,

    My friend and I saw the Moscow Ballet Nutcracker Suite in December at the Orpheum. I hadn’t been inside the theater for years, but they’re doing a fab job with it. We sat in the “mezanine”, which is really the front of the balcony. Oh, how I remember watching movies from that front row in the balcony and getting caught resting feet on the railing. They were great seats for the ballet. I could hear the toes of the dancers hit the wooden floor. But then the Orpheum was built for live theater, so that shouldn’t have been a surprise.

    The one drawback were the seats. Not at all comfortable. I have a funky back and wasn’t sure if I’d regret the time spent in them, but it wasn’t too bad. The work is obviously ongoing, as some of the walls still need painting. But it still has that same beauty.

    (I think I”ve only see parts of Alice’s Restaurant, but not all. Too long ago to remember, as you said.)

  33. David B

    Anybody have a few tons of manure and a spreader?
    I know of a vacant lot that could use some fertilizing tonight. ;->

  34. Great story! The very last paragraph that describes her new American dream makes me smile. It also makes me think of our neighborhood here at PPP.

    “The Art Of Being A Neighbor

    I used to believe in the American dream that meant a job, a mortgage, cable, credit, warranties, success. I wanted it and worked toward it like everyone else, all of us separately chasing the same thing.

    One year, through a series of unhappy events, it all fell apart. I found myself homeless and alone. I had my truck and $56…”

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102961694&ps=cprs

  35. annie_moose

    For all my wingnut friends, for all the bad things I’ve done to you…..enjoy the tea party

  36. annie_moose

    I would also like to apologize to Texas, please feel free to succeed from the union.

    http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/12227/

    AUSTIN – Gov. Rick Perry today joined state Rep. Brandon Creighton and sponsors of House Concurrent Resolution (HCR) 50 in support of states’ rights under the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

    “I believe that our federal government has become oppressive in its size, its intrusion into the lives of our citizens, and its interference with the affairs of our state,” Gov. Perry said. “That is why I am here today to express my unwavering support for efforts all across our country to reaffirm the states’ rights affirmed by the Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. I believe that returning to the letter and spirit of the U.S. Constitution and its essential 10th Amendment will free our state from undue regulations, and ultimately strengthen our Union.”

    A number of recent federal proposals are not within the scope of the federal government’s constitutionally designated powers and impede the states’ right to govern themselves. HCR 50 affirms that Texas claims sovereignty under the 10th Amendment over all powers not otherwise granted to the federal government.

  37. annie_moose

    When I go out into the world I like to listen to wingnut radio

    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/04/14/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4944701.shtml

    DHS Report Warns Of Right Wing Extremists
    Posted by Brian Montopoli | Comments 34

    Conservatives are up in arms about a report from the Department Of Homeland Security entitled “Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic And Political Climate Fueling Resurgence In Radicalization And Recruitment.” (Here it is, in PDF form.)

    The report is “one of the most embarrassingly shoddy pieces of propaganda I’d ever read out of DHS,” writes Michelle Malkin, who deems it a “piece of crap report” that serves as “a sweeping indictment of conservatives.”

    Coverage of the report presently occupies both the top spot on the Drudge Report and a prime second location on the site, where it comes with a picture of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and the words “SHE IS WATCHING YOU.”

    The “Key Findings” section of the report opens with these words: “The DHS/Office of Intelligence and Analysis (I&A) has no specific information that domestic rightwing* terrorists are currently planning acts of violence, but rightwing extremists may be gaining new recruits by playing on their fears about several emergent issues. The economic downturn and the election of the first African American president present unique drivers for rightwing radicalization and recruitment.”

  38. Bad Biker

    Goddammit! When I retired from my illustrious and greatly satisfying business career (I gotta stop lying) several years back, I gave all my business suits, ties and dress apparel to Goodwill.

    Dang! I can’t go to the Billionaires fer Baggers party in my usual attire – jeans, Doc’s and a tee shirt – WTF!

    Who wudda thunk it that all that stuff would come in handy on a night like this?

    Oh, well, to be honest, I have been putting in about eight a day, helping a friend with a re-mod project and my sorry ass is tired, so I probably couldn’t/wouldn’t make it anyway.

    Hey! A shout to my beautiful friend, Ms. Inks. I “visited” the other blog a bit ago and saw the abuse you were taking. I have two words for those folks:

    Jam it!

    Anyway, I have to admit that I played a bit there last night, handing a few of their butts to the conservatives about Pirates and Obama.

    Morons, one and all.

    Damn, if Obama came up with a cure for cancer, those idiots would criticize him for not doing it sooner.

    You’re better off over here, Ms. Inks.

    Later, ya’ll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  39. annie_moose

    sad news fellow bloggers

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/13/BAQ7171NB7.DTL

    Porn star Marilyn Chambers dies at 56

    Sam Whiting, Chronicle Staff Writer

    Adult film actress Marilyn Chambers, the onetime Ivory Snow model who gained greater fame as the star of the X-rated “Behind the Green Door,” was found dead Sunday by her teenage daughter at her home in Southern
    Marilyn Chambers had been a teen model for Ivory Snow.

    Authorities have not released a cause of death.

    Ms. Chambers, given name Marilyn Briggs, was central to the erotic empire built by the late Mitchell brothers – Jim and Artie – at their Mitchell Brothers O’Farrell Theatre, now in its 40th year.

    Ten years ago, San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown proclaimed a “Marilyn Chambers Day,” praising the porn queen for her “artistic presence,” her “vision” and her “energy.”

    “That wasn’t from any personal knowledge. That was all part of the allure of San Francisco,” Brown said Monday. “At the time that she was doing what she was doing, it created an interest nationally if not internationally in our city. And people would come here to see if Marilyn Chambers was really dressed in snowflakes.”

  40. wicked

    Was Ms. Chambers the star of Deep Throat? Dang, the memory is definitely nearly gone. I do remember hearing that she had a lot of scarring on her body, although from what, I don’t remember.

  41. wicked

    Alas, I won’t be able to put those old prom dresses to good use, along with the tiara and fake fur coat…as if I could squeeze into any old prom dress. ha ha I could have brought along some green tea. Made from thousand dollar bills, of course. 😉

    Grandkids just left, and I leave again in less than an hour for Rock Rd and 39th. Not a good time to try a run for the P.O. on the West side. Oh, well, maybe next time?

  42. wicked

    Sorry, I obviously have my porn queens confused. It might help if I tried to read for content, huh?

    On what thread are they dumping on my friend? I skimmed a couple of threads earlier, but was so bored, I had to take a nap.

  43. Bad Biker

    “Was Ms. Chambers the star of Deep Throat?”

    Naw, that was Linda Lovelace, who died in an auto accident some years ago. After her porn career, she became somewhat “born again” and made an issue of the “degradation” of porn stars.

    By the way, I have never seen either Ms. Lovelace or Ms. Chambers in a movie – porn is not my “cup ‘o’ tea.”

    I just have a mind stuffed with useless trivia.

    Ya’ wanna know the one of two Beatles song credited to Lennon/McCartney/Starkey?

    (Starkey is Richard Starkey a.k.a. Ringo Starr.)

    “Octopus’s Garden”

    The other was “Don’t Pass Me By.”

    Sorry, I can’t remember where I put my glasses, but I know this stuff like the back of …….., back of what? Where was I?

    Oh, yeah, Ya’ wanna know the one………………….

    Whatever.

  44. wicked

    And in which song did Mr. Starkey sing lead?

    What was the name of Mr. Starkey’s first born?

    John Lennon’s birthday?

    Paul McCartney’s birthday?

    You don’t have to answer, Biker. Just showing that I was a Beatle fan, too. 🙂 In fact, I was teased relentlessly about it. John was always my favorite. Paul, not so much. And to think there are only two left of the greatest group that ever wrote and performed. Sad.

    Oh, and thanks for the Linda Lovelace answer. I knew as soon as I posted that question that I was wrong…as usual.

  45. frigginloon

    Hey, does anyone want to come over to my place for a cup of coffee?

  46. David B

    Above from Sam Brownback

  47. David B

    Dear David,

    Just a quick note to remind everyone to get your taxes postmarked by Wednesday.

    April 15th has the dubious distinction of being the day that reminds everyone why small, limited government is the best way to go.

    I’m going to be spending Tax Day traveling across Kansas to attend Tea Parties in Junction City, Wichita and Topeka. These meetings will help draw attention to the irresponsible tax-and-spend policies contained in the stimulus package and the budget packages passed by the House and Senate. A bad precedent was set with the astronomical bailouts, and the President’s budget just continues the wasteful spending. Plain and simple, the new budget spends too much, borrows too much, and most importantly, taxes too much!

    Families across Kansas are trying to spend responsibly in this economic downturn, and its troubling that the federal government doesn’t believe that it needs to tighten the belt as well. The spending policies of the current administration have far reaching consequences, and none of us want our children and grandchildren to have to pay for the irresponsible spending that’s going on now.

    I also wanted to invite you to come join me at the tax day events tomorrow. You can see the schedule of events below:

    Junction City Tax Day Tea Party
    Wednesday, April 15 12:00 p.m. – 12:45 p.m.
    Central City Municipal Building
    7th and Jefferson
    Junction City, Kansas

    Wichita Tax Day Tea Party
    Wednesday, April 15 4:15 p.m. – 5:15 p.m.
    Central Wichita Airport Post Office
    7117 W. Harry St.
    Wichita, Kansas

    Topeka Tax Day Tea Party
    Wednesday, April 15 6:45 p.m. – 7:30 p.m.
    Central North Topeka Post Office Annex
    1410 NW Gage Boulevard
    Topeka, Kansas

    I hope you had a wonderful Easter! All the best,

  48. David B

    M. Chambers was “Behind the Green Door” It was a mass market introduction to a wide range of erotic practices I will not enumerate here… Email me for specifics ;->

    This was when explicit films were newly legalized and it drew huge numbers of people – men and women and couples – who wanted to see what the fuss was about.

  49. Winding down after finalizing the last tax returns of the year, I recall the big stir over “I am Curious Yellow” as well. If you never saw it, well, you really didn’t miss much…

  50. iggydonnelly

    PLEASE NOTE!

    Check out “the Professor’s” blog:

    http://wichitaliberty.org/wichita-tea-party/

    They are clearly libertarians, which makes them about as likely to protest a tax protest as Troy Newman would protest an antiabortion protest.

    Something is very fishy with that deal. Proceed with caution. I have other things to do any way.

  51. iggydonnelly

    My guess on the Professor’s goal is to gather up some opposing voices, to somehow make them look more important and less insane than they are.

    Starve those trolls is my advice…

  52. iggydonnelly

    On to the Marilyn Chambers thing: Last I knew there was no official cause of death announced and that she would have an autopsy today or tomorrow. It seems to me that people involved with porn tend to die pretty young – I am assuming because of the drugs and alcohol, not to mention the chances of getting murdered, that go with “the life”.

    When I was trying to find out about the cause of Marilyn’s death – she was only 56 years old – I came across a recommendation on a blog to read the book _The Other Hollywood_ that goes into considerable detail about the Porn industry.

    Here is a link to Amazon.com and reviews of the book:

    http://www.amazon.com/Other-Hollywood-Uncensored-History-Industry/dp/0060096608/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1239763546&sr=1-1

  53. I approved The Professor and would do it again — he wasn’t who he professed (probably), but he wasn’t pickin’ on anybody here either. Maybe he would like to convince us, kindly, of why he believes what he does, and listen, patiently, to us tell him why we believe what we do. Peace.

    I’ve just come from the screening of Alice’s Restaurant — what a sad, happy, miserable, glorious, loving, hating time those years were!

    It was good to go see it. Wayne said, as he was buying our drinks, my job was to scope out two seats that were not close to any father rapers. I said, so should I avoid mother rapers, and he told me I was pushin’ it, just avoid the father rapers.

  54. Thank you Biker for the kind words! I tell you that other place was brutal! I barely arrived and my fan club was circling… I stayed away a looooong time (about a month!), but the next time I go back (if ever) will be a longer time from now.

  55. jammer5

    Wasn’t it Johnny Dar that burned deep throat back in the 70’s? Anyone remember that?

  56. jammer5

    I’m not sure that’s the professors blog. I think he just pointed it out as a reference to the ridiculous tea party.

  57. iggydonnelly

    Check out Bob Weeks’, the professor’s, “about page”, there are even some voices from the past from the other place posting there:

    http://wichitaliberty.org/about/

    I, on the other hand, won’t approve anyone as dishonest as he appears to be. I loathe liars; an important reason to move from the other place.

    Just to be clear, a liar is something different from someone who is misinformed or someone with whom I disagree. Protraying one’s self as being something you are not, and knowing while doing so that you are dissembling, falls into a qualitatively different category than simply being wrong or wrong-headed.

  58. wicked

    fnord,

    You can get anything you want at Alice’s Restaurant. 😉

    Dang, now I have to check Amazon for the DVD…

    Hey, I watched Hair one night, not long ago. First time I ever saw it. Found it free either at Amazon or IMDB.

  59. wicked

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    You can get anything you want there, or so went Arlo Guthrie’s song, a lengthy monologue about a Thanksgiving dinner and how its aftermath kept Guthrie out of the Vietnam-era draft. Arthur Penn’s movie version, which stars Guthrie, James Broderick, and Pat Quinn, has a shambling, good-natured feel, much like Guthrie’s epic tall tale. But as it follows Guthrie’s adventures (he gets arrested for improper disposal of Thanksgiving garbage and the arrest renders him unfit for military service, in the draft board’s eyes), it also examines the freewheeling nature of relationships in that period–and the toll that freedom took on those relationships. Guthrie is a natural performer, particularly funny during the draft board sequence; but the heart of the film is Quinn and Broderick’s troubled marriage. –Marshall Fine

    Product Description
    “It is hard to imagine a more beautiful movie” (Time) than this critically acclaimed chronicle of hippie life during the late 1960s, which garnered the acclaimed director of Bonnie and Clyde his second Oscar(r) nomination*. Based on the song by folk music troubadour Arlo Guthrie, son of legendary “Dust Bowl” balladeer Woody Guthrie, this tribute film to “the lost generation” features memorable scenes with other folk artists like Pete Seeger, who join Arlo in song to make a profound statement about war, protest and change. In the late ’60s, a changing social and political climate inspired a new generation to create a lifestyle outside of the mainstream. Twenty-two year-old Arlo’s journey to find a place for himself and his music includes a visit to his dying father in the hospital, gigs in New York and romps with his friends Alice and Ray, who run a small restaurant in Stockbridge, Massachusetts. And when an incident at Alice’s Restaurant plays a pivotal role inArlo’s avoidance of the draft, it sends him down a road that he will consider a small price to pay to keep his freedom and his beliefs. *Arthur Penn: Director; Alice’s Restaurant (1969); Bonnie and Clyde (1967)

    $13.49 for the DVD. Not half bad. I’ll add it to my list.

  60. jammer5

    So the prof and Bob Weeks are one in the same? Learn something new every day. I didn’t know that.

  61. iggydonnelly

    If that is the case, Jammer, I owe him an apology. I did not, as the above would attest, get that from the context I was given.

    I think I can get way too reactive to brain dead conservatives. It comes from being at the other place way too long.

    This may have been a case of me having paranoid delusions. I apologize for that. But, I insist, I am important enough to persecute. 🙂

  62. ‘cepting Alice.

    Sorry, Iggy. Should I UNapprove him? Or, wait to see if he picks on one of us, or proves himself dishonorable, and then he’s outta here like he never existed! I’ll take the responsibility! Sorry.

  63. David B

    I am going to the Tea Party and photograph the automobiles…. if you want an indication of income and social status… follow the wheels

  64. iggydonnelly

    I am not sure they are Jammer. I may have spun out of control there, assuming wise – you know what they say about that.

    I used to be a more trusting blogger. I will have to work on that.

  65. David B

    Grrr a 12 hour work day.. I blew off the Arlo movie tonight at the Orpheum…. and I have no tie dye in my wardrobe.

    I did so want to see the sex scene with the Asian lady again.. ahh NetFlix!!!!!!!

  66. Did everyone notice today was a record day for ‘hits?’

  67. David B

    The Douglas & Main Effect….

  68. wicked

    fnord,

    They did jump on you! [raspberry] to them. One did it to me about my budget comment, but I can back it up. The only other thing larger than Defense in the budget has been SS, and I have a hard time seeing that there as it’s supposedto pay for itself. Or rather the money comes from its own source, not from general taxes.

    Or am I wrong?

  69. wicked

    Johnny Dar and Deep Throat… That does sound familiar.

    I worked at a local photography studio back in the mid to late 70’s. We (the studio) took the photos for the Wagonmasters big bash that year. I remember a picture that we were asked to remove from the proofs, in case it fell into the wrong hands. It was of Vern Miller riding into the party on the back of a three-wheeler, accompanied by a very buxom young woman.

    OMG! My senior year, I went to the prom with the son of a (deceased) Sedg. Co. Sheriff. :0

  70. wicked

    Hmmmm, not bad. Sophomore year I went to the prom with the local doctor’s son.

    Are we impressed yet?

    Don’t be. LOL

  71. Did anyone hear anything from Mary? I’ve checked Facebook and email — nada. I’m sure if she is even home she is exhausted.

  72. wicked

    I’ve been thinking about them both all day, fnord. Let us know if you hear from her.

  73. TheProfessor

    Dear Folks,

    I put the link to ICT wingnuts on this post just so people could get location and times correct. Though I don’t want to reveal my WeBlog identity on this forum, I have clued our host in as to my identity, and she will be able to vouch that I’m at least as pinko as all y’all, and maybe even more so.

    Hope some folks will be joining us billionaires today, as we welcome Senator Brownback and other bought and paid for types.

    And if not, hope to see some of you at Arlo tonight. Although if he starts singing the praises of Ron Paul, as he has of late, I’m outta there.

    Best, TheProfessor

  74. I went to the screening of the movie last night and am sooooo jealous you’ll be at the concert and I won’t! I understand his son is playing with him. Kinda like Woody and Arlo… Watch out and try not to sit next to any father rapers.

    Make TheProfessor welcome! And check your emails!

  75. wicked

    Pinko, huh? I’ll have you know–

    Nah, just want to give you a big cyberhug and say welcome. I think I missed doing that yesterday. Multi-tasking will be the death of me yet.

    Of course that’s a friendly cyberhug, not anything else. Don’t want anyone to think I’m that wicked. Or naughty.

    fnord, you should’ve seen the pic I almost chose. A bit scantily clad, so I nixed it. But that pointed hat was perfect! For my pointed head, ya know. 😉