Missing girl found dead in submerged luggage

The body of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu was found in luggage submerged in a pond on a dairy farm near her California home, authorities said. Police did not identify a suspect, or release a cause of death. The girl’s family is devastated, said police spokesman Tony Sheneman. “They have just experienced the unimaginable. http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/07/california.missing.girl.dead/index.html

Man, just what makes someone do something like that? I can think of no more henious crime than robbing a child of life, and the parents of the joy of raising that child. Too many children dying by the hands of so-called human beings who have no regard for life. Arggg . . .


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17 responses to “Missing girl found dead in submerged luggage

  1. lilacluvr

    I just don’t understand this behavior. I’m bothered by the fact that when a child is missing, of course the first thing police do is to search for all the registered sex offenders living nearby and there is always a long list. Is that what our society has become?

    I wish I knew why the rules of common decency were obviously changed since my childhood and who the Hell changed the rules?

  2. fnord

    Great question! I wish someone could answer it.

    I think at least contributing to our society changing is substance abuse. I believe it to be a problem of gargantuan proportions that could be the end of mankind.

  3. lilacluvr

    I agree fnord. But when people think of substance abuse, the typical stereotypes come to mind. I watched a documentary about the current crisis of prescription pill addiction. There are alot of good upstanding citizens who are drug addicts. And the alcohol abuse is just as bad.

    Maybe today’s society is too used to instant gratification? People feel bad – they pop a pill. They want to watch television – they have 600+ channels on 24/7 to choose from. They want to eat – we have fast food drive-thru. Even the way we cook our meals has changed – alot more convenience foods that are microwaved. We have the ability to Google anything we are researching and we instantly get facts at our fingertips.

    And then our society is so saturated with sex and violence. Maybe we have become so desensitized to the actual consequences of our actions?

    Then it seems like our society rewards bad behavior – is that also a contributing factor?

    I don’t know what to think but we are losing too many young children to violent death. Something is terribly wrong in this country.

    What bothers me the most is that with each one of these cases – the public is outraged for awhile until the next case comes along. Our attention span is very limited and we choose to not dwell on the problems in society until they hit us directly in the face.

    That’s why I like Obama so much. He has stressed more than once that we are to be our brother’s keeper and we are all connected. We need to get back to that.

    But I’m afraid with all the Radical Right-Wingnuts (who should not have to be told this if they really read their Bible), it is going to be an uphill battle to change the current way out society thinks. These Righties are too busy throwing their hissy fits about their money.

    But, remember, we are dealing with the Reagan followers who thought their leader was a genius for wanting to count ketchup as a fruit in the shool lunches – remember?

  4. fnord


    I was definitely including those “good upstanding citizens” you mention!

    Recently, I’ve had the opportunity (?) to see more of the underbelly of our society than I could have imagined even exists. Often I’m just in shock, and sad beyond words. It seems if you dissect crime someplace at the early stages you’ll find substance abuse.

    Also, we’re so polarized I think we are doing ourselves an injustice. Why would we stick to extremes of partisanship rather than be open to what is best no matter the source? I posted some recent poll results to another thread yesterday — did you see these? Seems our society is hell bent to cut off their nose in order to spite their face!


  5. I thought the Reagan school lunch program wanted to classify ketchup as a vegetable, not a fruit.

  6. lilacluvr

    6176 – you’re probably right – I always did get that confused. I always thought ketchup was a condiment -not an actual serving of anything.

  7. lilacluvr

    fnord – I read somewhere in the prison population, the issue of substance abuse is overwhelmingly the major factor. That and the breakdown of the family.

    As for partisanship, I believe if we don’t get off this current trend of extremism on both sides of the political spectrum, our country will be hopelessly deadlocked in a never-ending losing battle.

    It seems to me that this extreme partisanship worsened in 1994 when Newt Gingrich brought the Contract With America. I remember the out and out hatred of Bill Clinton from those on the Right. They spent how many millions on that impeachment process? Even to this day, they are still hating Clinton personally.

    While I disagreed with Ronald Reagan on alot of issues, I never once felt I truly hated the man. But I don’t know if the Right Wingers of the GOP would or could say that about Clinton or Obama.

    But with the current Republicans’ extremism, I believe it is only the minority Right Wing of the
    GOP who is really violently opposed to Obama. And I think this is attributable to the fact they know they have lost the power. And, they lost it to the first black president. To some of them, that alone is intolerable.

  8. lilacluvr

    correction: first black president and a man with the name like Obama.

  9. fnord

    During the last few years of bush the lessor I finally grasped the overwhelming emotions the Clinton haters felt. I felt those feelings and discovered for myself how strong, ugly and counter productive hating can be. Understanding all this didn’t help because my mind knew something my heart was dead set against and my heart won.

    Now, I justified my hate by telling myself that what Clinton did made him a deplorable man, what bush did made him a deplorable leader. But if I were truthful, a deplorable man can’t be a respected leader and my mind knows that.

    I went through all the presidents who hadn’t gotten caught in their misdeeds, I told myself Clinton’s lies were to be expected of any person caught red handed in an affair. You know what? bush’s lies were also probably what anyone would do when caught red handed in the affairs of state. Yes, he went to war with lies, but I think he really thought the war was justified. That I didn’t, gave me that opening in my mind and heart to think of him as a killer, to think of him as stupid… He made a judgment I wouldn’t have made, but today I don’t think he did so because he is the evil stupid man I want to think he is. And, Clinton allowed the power of his office, his little head (which history shows ruled his big head all too often) to make a mockery of the office he was entrusted to honor.

    Both men were too human, made too many errors and our country suffered. Unless we go back to the times of not knowing what is going on (before television, and when things just weren’t spoken of), we probably will always find something about every president that makes him human too. Then again, those just aren’t the things that should be most important to us! But they sure are the things of partisanship!

    • lilacluvr

      well said fnord…..I remember a town hall meeting setting somewhere and during the question and answer session, some young woman from the audience got up and asked Bill Clinton if he wore boxers or briefs.

      That is when I just about dropped my teeth! Never, in my childhood or young adulthood, had I ever seen or heard anyone ask that question of a president or during a presidential campaign.

      Does anyone remember this? I don’t recall if it was during the campaign or was it when he first became president?

      I don’t consider myself to be a Puritan but some things are just in bad taste.

      Maybe we have made the president too much like a celebrity and we feel the need to know each and every single sordid detail?

  10. Zippy

    Leaving aside ethics, take another example: the guy who shot his whole family and killed himself.

    What exactly do they think they’re accomplishing? Is it just an extended middle finger to the world, or is there some “reason” in their fevered minds?

    I think this needs to be researched.

    • tosmarttobegop

      Here in Butler county we had a case where the father was facing the reality that his wife was leaving him.
      He was so depressed that he decided he did not want to live so he was going to kill himself.
      He could not stand the thought that his two girls would have to live with him not in their lives.
      So he took them for a ride on 254 and pull over to the shoulder and slit their throats then tried to slit his own. The girls died and he survived.

      • lilacluvr

        I remember that case. How sad and desperate does a person have to be when they are in that mindset?

        I remember thinking to myself that the guy looked like a normal, everyday, nice guy. Someone that didn’t look evil.

        I just wonder why one person would choose to make that decision whereas another person would not choose to go that route. Is it something in their brain that just goes ‘snap’?

  11. lilacluvr

    Zippy – I’ve heard the reason is because these people feel it is better to take their entire family out with them than to leave them in this terrible world. Somehow it is based on their religious beliefs – if that makes any sense??

    It does not make sense – but if your mind is in that mindset, these people aren’t thinking rationally.

    I’m originally from Illinois and last week there was a 40-yr-old man going through a divorce and custody fight. He took his two little boys on a weekend visit and did not bring them back. Authorities searched 3 weeks for them. They found the two boys dead in the backseat of his car and found the father dead about 60 yards outside his car on a deserted country road.

    Now, to me, this was just being mean to his wife and a definite middle-finger.

    Sometimes I shudder to think how cruel humans can be.

  12. frigginloon

    Hmm, England have just arrested and charged two brothers aged 10 and 11 with attempted murder after cutting up 2 boys with knives, burning them with cigarettes, hitting them with bricks and then throwing them down an embankment. That is either far too much Red Bull or our society has hit an all time low. The parents must be proud! Is that learned behavior or (all jokes aside) are babies being born with brain abnormalities etc because of the crap in our food. Why is Autism on the rise?
    I read a book about a forensic scientist who said that most serial killers etc have a similar abnormality of the brain but they are reluctant to make this known because of the legal ramifications. Once it’s in the “medical illness” category, killers will be able to use this as their defence.