Sunday, 2/13/11, Public Square

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  1. Zippy

    David Fitzsimmons is a treasure to both Tucson and the rest of the world!

  2. prairie pond

    Hi Zippy. You’re up early today? Or still awake from yesterday?

    I’m making pinto beans in one pot and chicken and rice in another pot. I’m missing the southwest. And you! In case I haven’t said it lately, I always love your posts. I’m liking your commentary strategy. It works for us.

  3. prairie pond

    I’m bringing this Indy post over from yesterday. It ties in with the discussion we had one Sunday about Egypt.

    “One thing about the Egyptian protesters winning this battle is that the other dictators in surrounding Arab countries are taking notice”

    No shit. And some wingnuts in the US are taking note and taking precautions too, although they are not implementing reform. They are turning to force, much as we predicted a couple of weeks ago. The posse comitatus rules are out the window.

    Behold, Gov. Walker of Wisconsin….

    “One of the Democratic legislative leaders said it’s “hard to believe he’s even serious about this.” Really? Then why is it happening in all these states with Republican governors? I wish Democrats would learn to think like these criminals, so they weren’t caught off guard all the time:

    Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) said Friday that he was willing to mobilize the state’s National Guard force in order to address the potential repercussions of his stated proposal to eliminate collective bargaining rights for state employees.
    But union leaders, and even some Republicans, were taken aback at the scope of his proposal. “This is a shocking development,” said Bryan Kennedy, president of AFT-Wisconsin, which represents 17,000 workers. “It ends collective bargaining for public employees in our state, after 50 years of management and workers solving problems together.” I wish I could understand why people are so willing to cooperate in the stripping away of workers rights, instead of insisting that they have them, too. That kind of thinking is a sorry part of human nature”

    Remember when we talked about how the Patriot Act and related bullshit wasn’t about protecting us from terrorists, it’s about protecting the wealthy US elite from starving commoners.

    I read today that Algeria is trying to kill Facebook and the internet?

    Wonder why the wingnuts are wetting their panties with rumors that Obama wants a kill switch for the internet?

    And they fought net neutrality….

    • indypendent

      If people would only stop to think about what prompted the Egyptian protest – they are basic issues: unemployment, rising cost of living, young people feeling hopeless for the future, rampant corruption throughout government.

      Now where have we heard this issues before?

      I just don’t get it – if those in control would only do what is right by their people, then there would be no revolt.

      Take the health care reform – all of that debate and fighting over accessible and affordable heatlh care would have not been necessary if health insurance comapanies would have simply put people before their bottom line. These corporations could have found some way to reform themselves.

      The same goes for the unemployment – if these corporations would stop sitting on their billions and invest in Americans – there would be more jobs.

      More jobs = happier people = brighter outlook on life = hope.

  4. prairie pond

    Back to the cartoon.

    As usual, Wendell Potter nails it about the real agenda of “repeal and replace” on the health care law. More like “Gut and Go” than “repeal and replace.” I don’t think we’re going to like the “repeal” part because it will NOT repeal the purchase mandate. And we SURE are not going to like the “replace” part that will replace the two or three good things in the bill, like covering pre-existing conditions and no lifetime caps.

    http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-Insurers-Real-Agenda-by-Wendell-Potter-110212-683.html

  5. “The legislative agenda of Barack Obama is over.” — Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, the Kentucky Republican, said in a speech Saturday night to a GOP crowd in his hometown.

    So we’re going to see Republicans legislate!? This should be interesting! And a brand new approach since they haven’t legislated anything worth writing home about in decades! Do you think they’ll find it much easier to rail against gay marriage and liberal elites wanting to take guns away and drive God out of public life than to actually accomplish anything? Do you think they’ll find out cutting spending, even the spending on people who really need it, is hard? And how will they frame wanting to reduce spending and control the deficit when their spending cuts aren’t even as drastic or total as much as those President Obama proposes in his budget?

  6. indypendent

    No shit. And some wingnuts in the US are taking note and taking precautions too, although they are not implementing reform. They are turning to force, much as we predicted a couple of weeks ago.
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    I suspect this wingnuttiness is being driven by these Religious Wingnuts who truly want a holy war with Muslims.

    I would be happy to oblige these wingnuts and ship all their lilly white butts over to the Middle East in the biggest desert we can find and drop them down there for a few weeks. Talk about wetting some panties…….the desert would not be dry any more after these cowards got there. LOL

    • WSClark

      I was informed via a reliable source* that it was non-Egyptian, Muslim Socialists, bent on installing Sharia, Law that were behind the “smooth” revolution in Cairo. This source* also stated that Mubarak was “not a bad dictator.” I read it on the Internets, so it must be true.

      * WEBlog.

      • indypendent

        You remember all those stories and paranoia about Sharia Law being forced down our throats in the past few month?

        The same people spoon-feeding that garbage are the ones that now proclaim Mubarak was not a bad dictator.

        If he was not so bad, then why don’t these CONS go live under him?

        That Sharia Law crap story comes right out of the Religious Right Evangelicals ………

    • It seems the Egyptian people think being under a dictator isn’t the way to go!

      “not a bad dictator.” Reminds me of the many studies done on people who stay with an abuser…

      • indypendent

        Well, anyone who believes that God wants women to serve men as their masters and be nothing more than property, is more than abuser IMHO.

        Haven’t you always wondered why the most religious nutcases seem to have a sexual deviance also? There are definitely wires that are crossing or maybe the wires have just burned up from all that self-importance sanctimonius, piety crap oozing over them?

  7. Protesters Are Awesome: Look at This Beautiful Video of Today’s “Day of Cleaning” in Egypt

    • wicked

      If the same had happened here, we would leave it for someone else.

      “Clean” is one of the things I’ve noticed about many Mid-Eastern countries. My son-in-law deployed several times there in the past. Dubai was one, and the pictures he brought back were magnificent. Maybe it was the blue of the ocean that took my breath away the most, but everything was clean, even that water.

  8. prairie pond

    “I suspect this wingnuttiness is being driven by these Religious Wingnuts who truly want a holy war with Muslims.”

    Agreed. But don’t forget the greedy wealthy who want ALL the money, not just more than 90% of it.

    Capitalism and religious wingnuttery. Now THAT’s a marriage made in heaven.

    And Mubarak was not a “bad” dictator? Are there “good” dictators? Sounds like someone filling their pockets off foreign trade.

    As someone said the other day, when it comes to toppling dictators and installing democracy, it’s Obama 2, Bush 0. Or, as they also said “now THAT is how you bring democracy to the Middle East.” Not at the point of a gun, but from the ground up among the people.

    Funny, the wingnuts were all for democracy in Iraq, along with self governance, but in Egypt? Not so much. It’s always about the Benjamins.

    • wicked

      I’ve been reading that there’s more to come. Some of those people in UAE countries aren’t very happy right now, either. Bahrain, for one.

    • 6176746f6c6c65

      Rhetorical question: When do the pro-democracy protests dissolve into anarchy? To me, it’s a fine line, and may be the reason the military received the power transfer in Egypt.

      • indypendent

        I heard several analysts talking about this Egyptian protest. The reason Mubarak stepped down and the peaceful protesters won was due to the fact the military did not take violent action against the Egyptian people.

        I also heard throughout all the news coverage that the Egyptian people all trust the military. But the Mubarak has his own police – which were not trusted.

        And I think once the people saw that the military was not siding with Mubarak – I think they knew their peaceful protest was working.

        As for your rhetorical question – anarchy would happen the minute power is just given to the winds – IMHO. The protesters did not have any one specific leader – that I ever heard about. So maybe the fact that the military is trusted and they seem to be headed towards free elections – I am hoping and praying things work out for them.

        But as I told one Republican the other day – if we truly believe what we preach about letting people decide their own lives and government – then the Egyptian people are the only ones who can do that. Americans need to keep our nose out of it – unless we are asked to help.

        America cannot afford to have the appearance of pulling the strings behind the scenes. That would be disastrous – IMHO

  9. What amendments would you guess Michele Bachmann probably mistakenly believes are in the constitution?

    ———–

    “With reverence and awe, Michele Bachmann and the Tea Party pay homage to the original Constitution and framers who drafted the document in 1787. The House of Representatives, in a nod to them, began its session this year by reading it. Bachmann even brought Antonin Scalia to a seminar on the Constitution for members of Congress, where the Supreme Court justice instructed members to read the Federalist Papers and follow the framers’ original intent. Moreover, many of the Tea Party’s political positions, such as opposition to President Obama’s healthcare reform program, are rooted in their adherence to the original document.

    But what if they actually got their way? If a Tea Party constitutional reading suddenly took sway and we returned to the original document as conceived, what would the American republic look like? Much to the surprise of Bachmann and others, there wouldn’t be that much freedom and democracy.”

    Continued –
    http://www.salon.com/news/tea_parties/index.html?story=%2Fpolitics%2Fwar_room%2F2011%2F02%2F13%2Ftea_party_schultz_constitution

    • 6176746f6c6c65

      Ah, so true (the link). Again, the definition of an “activist judge” often depends on the issue and the losing side of a decision made by a court referencing the same.

    • prairie pond

      ROFLMAO, Fnord!

      That’s great. Much better than the old “Dear Red States” letter.

      It’s spot on in every single statement!

    • wicked

      Gee, I wish I’d said that. :)

    • WSClark

      Jeez, I am FROM the South and I thought that was freakin’ hilarious!

      • prairie pond

        Clark, I can’t say I am from the south, but I lived there for a while and loved it. But agreed, no matter what the good qualities of the south may be, that was funny. And true. And I don’t care who ya are…

    • 6176746f6c6c65

      That was really good. To pick a nit; there were manifold contributions to the formation of the Republic from the South, e.g., G. Washington, T. Jefferson, P. Henry, J. Marshall, all from Virginia. Carry on.

      • 6176746f6c6c65

        Oops, inadvertently omitted J. Madison (“the Father of the Constitution”) from the illustrative list supra.

  10. Breitbart Gets Served With Shirley Sherrod Lawsuit At CPAC

    Andrew Breitbart, the owner of several conservative Web sites, was served at the conference on Saturday with a lawsuit filed by Shirley Sherrod, the former Agriculture Department employee who lost her job last year over a video that Mr. Brietbart posted at his site biggovernment.com.

    http://wonkette.com/437998/breitbart-gets-served-with-shirley-sherrod-lawsuit-at-cpac

    • indypendent

      karma – she is sweet.

      • indypendent

        P.S. – how long will it take for Conservatives to blame this guy being served with a lawsuit on the ‘lamestream’ media?

        3….2…1….

        Oh, I forgot to add, the lamestream media liberals also hate freedom loving Americans. (American flag waving, Paul Revere riding by on his horse and George Washington singing Yankee Doodle Dandy).

        And let’s not forget – Betsy Ross baking that apple pie. You know, women are meant to be kept in the kitchen serving their men….

        very heavy sarcasm//

  11. WSClark

    About once per month, I go out to breakfast with some friends, Free, Too Smart and another, and I have to remind them to tell me not to order more than what I can eat.

    Well apparently, I am also going to need to remind them to tell me not to stay up so late. I am a peculiar sort and I have always been a night owl. Lately, my owl-ism has gotten progressively (!?!) worse to the point that I occasionally look at the clock and notice that it is rapidly approaching sunrise. At the rate I am going, “Good Morning America” is going to become my late night TV.

    I thought that when you got older, you started to have dinner at 4:30 in the afternoon and hit the sack by 9:00. I haven’t been to bed before 2:00 AM in the past three months.

    Why am I telling you this?

    Hell, I don’t know – maybe some of you have the same issue? Wicked responded to one of my posts last night at about 2:00, so perhaps she has owl-ism, also. She may not, but I certainly need my beauty sleep.

    Oh, well, at least no one can ever consider me to be normal!

    • Freebird1971

      Do you need a curfew and bed check?

    • wicked

      Hi. My name is Wicked, and I’m a night owl.

      The story goes that before I was adopted at the age of 7 weeks, I was such a good baby that the nuns/nurses would put all the other babies to bed, then keep me up to play before putting me down for the night. After I was adopted, my dad was on second shift, so my mom would keep me up so he could spend time with me when he got home. It isn’t my fault. The die was cast long before I could do anything about it.

      There’s one problem. Grandkids start arriving about 7:30 a.m.. I have to be up and semi-conscious before they get here or there might not be much left of my house and belongings. (Oldest g-son has severe ADHD.) Sleeping in is not an option. After getting the 3 older g-kids to school, there’s a 3-year-old and an 18-month-old to watch over, so going back to bed is not an option either. Sunday morning is the only day I get to sleep in, and even then I’m up before noon.

      Left to my own devices, I’d be up until dawn and then sleep until mid-afternoon. Too bad life doesn’t give me that option. ;)

      • 6176746f6c6c65

        Jeez, wicked, this confirms that my late wife and you must have been separated at birth, or have DNA in common, or something. Thanks to the military, among others, I became a morning person. Yes, it was interesting at our abode from time to time…

        Before corruption, I could hoot late into the night with the best. Now, not so much.

      • Griffin is a night owl, me an early bird. It does make it interesting difficult at times.

      • Although, fnord, the early morning snuggling was something to savor.

    • 6176746f6c6c65

      Uh, WSC, think of it this way; you are merely precocious in this way, it being common knowledge (to me) that as one ages, the less sleep one needs, which translates in my world to staying up late(r) as the years go by. Heck, I now make it regularly to 2200 hours local, an “improvement” of an hour over 5 years ago.